What do you guys think about this one.
Only four bottle

aha, 1-androsterone. Its a DHEA metabolite. I would say it most likely has some pheromonal properties.

Looking at the ingredients though, it will probably be hard to isolate the 1-Androsterone from the cyclodextrin complex. Alot of sublinguals have this in them. Think of the cyclodextrin as a ring made of sugar. Heat it and the ring opens. Cool it back down and the ring closes again.
If the target molecules are in suspension, they will become trapped inside the ring as it cools down. The body then recognizes this sugar upon ingestion and absorbs it.
When you have something you want transported that the body may reject, cyclo's can act much like a trojan horse. The poorly bio available molecule is encapsulated in a highly bio available sugar ring. Thius the body is tricked into taking in something it would normally reject.

Would have to break the cyclo rings to gain access to the 1-Androsterone by heating it. Maybe the alcohol would dissolve the Androsterone and it could be poured off.
Then left with the effervescent stuff to deal with. K bicarbonate is not soluble in etoh so that is a good thing. Can be filtered out.
Sodium bicarbonate is baking soda. Add the tartaric acid to it will produce a salt and carbonic acid, which should break down into carbon dioxide and water I think

Alot of work, but if you want to do it Im pretty sure we could figure it out. Stall on it and see if we can get some pure 1-Androsterone first

Did we just stumbled upon the holy grail molecule? I just want to know if it would be easy to remove that extra binders and filler junk.

(09-12-2012 6:50 PM)zerosix85 Wrote:  Did we just stumbled upon the holy grail molecule? I just want to know if it would be easy to remove that extra binders and filler junk.

I have a strong vibe that 1-Androsterone will have good results. If we cant find it pure, we might be able to make it. *evil grin*

EDIT: Looking at its structure 1-Androsterone looks almost exactly like DHEA. But it has a double bond in the 1-2 position whereas DHEA has it at 5-6. Figure out a way to shift that double bond to 1-2 from regular old DHEA. However, This I have no idea how to do. LOL Its been a minute since Ive had to do anything like that. If we deem it necessary I could relearn it..

Details Dietary Supplement. Pro. Anabolic. 1-Androsterone converts at a high rate to 1-testosterone and will give you better strength and size increases than the old 1-Andro or 1-Test products. These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Nutrition Facts Serving Size 1 capsule

Servings Per Container 60 Amount Per Serving % Daily Value Piperine 2 mg 1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one 100 mg Luteolin 3 mg Standardized Forskolin 10 mg *percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet. Ingredients:

Other Ingredients: Pyrolsate, Gelatin, Magnesium Stearate, Silica. *These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. Directions As a dietary supplement, take 1 to 3 capsules per day in divided doses with food. Use in cycles of 4 to 6 weeks. Do not exceed 3 capsules per day.

O.K. whats the judgment on this one?

@Thundr
Can you tell if the 1 Androstene-3b-ol-17-one is being trapped by any of the other Ingredients?

http://fitness.big-health.com/Advanced_M...eolin.html

Piperine I think is some form of transport activator. It will be coming along for the ride as it is soluble in etoh I believe. No biggie its just black pepper. Consider it part of a built in scent package. LOL

I have no clue what Luteolin is or does, might have to look that one up

Forskolin is used to lower blood pressure. It is a natural herb and shouldnt be a problem. Being an herbal it is most likely soluble in etoh as well and prolly coming along for the ride too

The other inerts are just fillers. Pyrolsate is most likely a chemical byproduct from something in the mix. I dont think it does anything. Think of it like ashes.

I cant see anything in there that is binding the 1-Androsterone. Unless that weird shit luteolin stuff does anything. I never heard of it before.

(09-12-2012 8:20 PM)thundr Wrote:  Piperine I think is some form of transport activator. It will be coming along for the ride as it is soluble in etoh I believe. No biggie its just black pepper. Consider it part of a built in scent package. LOL

I have no clue what Luteolin is or does, might have to look that one up

Forskolin is used to lower blood pressure. It is a natural herb and shouldnt be a problem. Being an herbal it is most likely soluble in etoh as well and prolly coming along for the ride too

The other inerts are just fillers. Pyrolsate is most likely a chemical byproduct from something in the mix. I dont think it does anything. Think of it like ashes.

I cant see anything in there that is binding the 1-Androsterone. Unless that weird shit luteolin stuff does anything. I never heard of it before.

A 100 mg of 1 Androstene-3b-ol-17-one in there.
So what do you think, worth the change (money)?

How much does it cost?

also we should find out what that weird Luteolin stuff is doing in there

Ill try and look it up later tonight

(09-12-2012 9:12 PM)thundr Wrote:  How much does it cost?

also we should find out what that weird Luteolin stuff is doing in there

Ill try and look it up later tonight

$66.36 before shipping
Remember I have a Centrifuge, if the Luteolin isn't Chemically Bonded to the 1 Androstene-3b-ol-17-one and is heavier, I can work with it.