I recently brewed up a mix consisting of (per spray):

• 20mcg Androstadienone
• 5mcg Androstenone
• 5mcg Beta Androstenol
• 5mcg Estratetraenol
  

I expected this mix to pleasantly comforting, but with a sexy edge. It didn't work very well for that purpose at all.

I found that the self-effect was overly edgy, as you might expect from Androstenone which has not been buffered very well. The effect on others was not full-blown OD, but I could definitely tell that people were feeling uncomfortable around me.

Even after adding a 33.5mcg of neno, I found that the Androstenone was not adequately buffered, although it was a little bit uplifted.

Pago has reported some buffering effects from neno in the past, but I didn't see much of that here. I still want to test neno and Androstenone together to see how they pair without any other mones.

EDIT: NOW LET'S PLAY A GAME!

I've got most of a sprayer full of this stuff now. What would you add into this mix to turn it awesome?

It's a pain in the ass to get the ratio correct when working on mixes. I have read that it is possible to OD on Estratetraenol.

Who were your targets when you wore your mix?

Hi dbot,

how many sprays have you put on ?

i assume 2 or 3 ... have you had the problem only with males ?

the none should have been buffered by the Estratetraenol quite well !

I see the problem caused by the Androstadienone which is really alpha and dominant against males ... males seem to drift away from you whilst wearing Androstadienone and we call it the

FUKUSHIMA effect .... what means not to stay to long because of high exposure to radioactivity ( that´s only for males ... we know women like Androstadienone )

in fact Androstadienone does not buffer None .. it makes it only a bit more wearable in company of women !

Pago

I wore only a single spray of this mix during testing. I didn't see any powerfully negative reactions from anyone, but I was surprised to find myself and everyone around me feeling kind of awkward and uncomfortable.

Usually in the past I have seen good reactions from both males and females when using mixes containing Androstadienone .

@Pago - You think 5mcg Estratetraenol should have been enough to buffer that amount of Androstenone? If so, there may be some other factor in the ratios of this mix that is throwing everything off.

@Deja Vu - In my experience it would be very hard to OD on Estratetraenol. I've worn it up to 100mcg and found it to be really really comforting and likeable. You should read the Mad Tater Journal over at PheroTalk to see about Tater's adventure with Estratetraenol.

5mcg´s None is not that much - at least not for me

looks like it takes a good amount more Estratetraenol to buffer none ...

You could upp the Estratetraenol dose without loosing to much the sexual kick from None in my opinion !

Estratetraenol works comforting on Women as well so i see only positives in it !

Not every day is the same and so i suggest to try the mix at another day again ... and if it turns out to create some negative effects again ... have some Estratetraenol handy

Look out for the FUKUSHIMA effect of Androstadienone ... what makes appear this molecule in a very different light and expands the fields to use it vastly ...
Take some mix which is beta ... add some Androstadienone and the day is safed ... it´s very hard to achieve these effects with None or Androsterone

Pago

Add 5mcg -Androsterone and see how it goes.

Got any P74? Try adding between 5 and 10 mcg's if you do.

Hey dbot! my personal intuition is that the mix is screwed from the get-go... Androstadienone and Estratetraenol in the mix together is a big no-no from my experience.

However, 50 mcg of alpha-androstenol will make the mix more palatable and will buffer the -none. 50 mcg of DHEAS will help as well.

I would start from a base of either androstadienone or estratetraenol.

try 4 parts Alpha Androstenol to 2 parts -dienone to 1 part -none : )

I.e. 20 mcg Alpha Androstenol, 10 mcg -dienone, 5 mcg none..

Really interesting stuff, guys!

@Pago - I was also thinking about upping the Estratetraenol to match the dose of Androstadienone . I've never tested these two on their own together, and always suspected that they would work well together. But then...

@Chris - Thanks for the insights! What does this combination usually do in your experience? Thanks for the suggestions of 50mcg Alpha Androstenol and/or 50mcg DHEAS. What do you suspect the DHEAS might add?

Also, that ratio sounds tasty! I'll add it to my list of things to try!

@JAYCEE - Solid suggestion, a splash of Androsterone could very well turn things around for this mix, because it did have a very kind of sketchy, beta feel. Some Androsterone might add a little much-needed value boost.

@Mark - Another solid suggestion. P74 is a nice warm comfortable molecule, and does sometimes have a way of tying together molecules that are otherwise at odds. I do have a little of this lying around, so I may just give it a try.

In fact, I'm tempted to just mix on the skin and try all of these suggestions!