Quick Update on some findings since I haven't been posting much of late, been really busy. Been experimenting with AM and other stuff since it's now top among my collection for self effects, besting even A314

AM + MX297/456/457

Decent replacement for AM + TL. Works better than AM + TC and AM + Glace

Its like MX297 + Ammo/Turn Up The Heat on steroids

Gives confidence and social boost, extremely smooth in conversations, perfect for cocky funny. Attractive and sexual but it lacks the depth (perhaps the falling in love feeling) that TL gives but it gives a bigger initial punch

I've tried Est (AM already has Est in it, I'm just adding more) and Neno with AM and they don't work well too. Looks like nothing can replace Methoxyestratetraenone for now.

Weigh your risk-reward ratios, I only use AM+TL when I'm out with a girl I really really like, and I rotate it with AM+MX297 and AM+TC

And yes. TL does affect those who are into weight training. After I cut down use of TL, I lost fat and put on more muscle mass while on the same diet and training regime

Cool to have you back Gslinger

have you noticed that MX297 and MX456 / MX457 are not the same ...

AM works pretty good with X22 from Wingman as well ... girls rubbing their asses on me

Cheers,

Pago

MX297 is more social/friend (to the extent of buddy-ish sometimes) than MX456/MX457

Both can induce alot of laughter though as in people can engage in really stupid and hilarious conversations especially when certain individuals are more susceptible or noticeably prone, that's where their similarities lie. So if formulas are indeed different, the molecule that's causing this is still present in considerable amounts with regards to both

MX297 has a greater self effect and is more friendly, but with MX456/457 you can do more cocky funny and not offend people, a little similar to AM + TL in that aspect. You're more attractive and MX297 makes the two way transition, you to people and people to you easy. MX456/457 draws people to you, and is more attractive than MX297 however its much more subtle

People still want to talk to you and you're cool with talking to people. For me, the main difference really lies in the self effects, mx297 being more pronounced than 456/457

On a side note, I took out Steve's ICM 2.0 to play and it feels like a very amped up AM without the "feel good" portion, aggression, clear minded and confidence but the "I feel comfortable" about AM isn't there. I'm willing to bet $100 USD that there's Methoxyestratetraenone in ICM2.0, if you've used TL/Methoxyestratetraenone you'll know how it feels in the first 30 minutes. One reason why I suspect it gets mega hits is because there's none and there's Methoxyestratetraenone to buffer it, correct me if I'm wrong but you can also feel the P91 in it. If you have it, take it out and play with it then play with AM + TL and let me know what you think

(05-04-2012 3:46 AM)Pagodeiro Wrote:  Cool to have you back Gslinger

have you noticed that MX297 and MX456 / MX457 are not the same ...

AM works pretty good with X22 from Wingman as well ... girls rubbing their asses on me

Cheers,

Pago

hmmm...

i think that MX297 is a mix of more molecules ...

MX456/MX457 is one .. or two molecules ... Sinlge P

Meo - Est in ICM 2,0 ... not sure ...

i have extensively played around with Meo - Est ... TL was the idea of JohnnyHard and me

of course do i have used TL sold by TP as well ...

there is no replacement for Meo - Est .. have not found something yet ...

P91 in ICM 2,0 ... i´m going to make some tests with it ..

your take on MX297 and on 456/457 is very precise .. good sum up on the effects ..

i see extreme visual effects with 456 and less with 457

Cheers,

Pago

I can send you some of the ICM to try if you're interested. Need to talk to you about the homebrew etrione too. Pm me

(05-04-2012 4:51 AM)Pagodeiro Wrote:  hmmm...

i think that MX297 is a mix of more molecules ...

MX456/MX457 is one .. or two molecules ... Sinlge P

Meo - Est in ICM 2,0 ... not sure ...

i have extensively played around with Meo - Est ... TL was the idea of JohnnyHard and me

of course do i have used TL sold by TP as well ...

there is no replacement for Meo - Est .. have not found something yet ...

P91 in ICM 2,0 ... i´m going to make some tests with it ..

your take on MX297 and on 456/457 is very precise .. good sum up on the effects ..

i see extreme visual effects with 456 and less with 457

Cheers,

Pago

(05-04-2012 9:21 AM)Gslinger Wrote:  I can send you some of the ICM to try if you're interested. Need to talk to you about the homebrew etrione too. Pm me

That´s cool that you´re willing to part with me with that juice ...

have still 4 full bottles and i can get from a buddy a few one´s as well ..

I´m gonna PM you concerning the homebrew Trione

Pago

(05-04-2012 4:36 AM)Gslinger Wrote:  MX297 is more social/friend (to the extent of buddy-ish sometimes) than MX456/MX457

Both can induce alot of laughter though as in people can engage in really stupid and hilarious conversations especially when certain individuals are more susceptible or noticeably prone, that's where their similarities lie. So if formulas are indeed different, the molecule that's causing this is still present in considerable amounts with regards to both

MX297 has a greater self effect and is more friendly, but with MX456/457 you can do more cocky funny and not offend people, a little similar to AM + TL in that aspect. You're more attractive and MX297 makes the two way transition, you to people and people to you easy. MX456/457 draws people to you, and is more attractive than MX297 however its much more subtle

People still want to talk to you and you're cool with talking to people. For me, the main difference really lies in the self effects, mx297 being more pronounced than 456/457

On a side note, I took out Steve's ICM 2.0 to play and it feels like a very amped up AM without the "feel good" portion, aggression, clear minded and confidence but the "I feel comfortable" about AM isn't there. I'm willing to bet $100 USD that there's Methoxyestratetraenone in ICM2.0, if you've used TL/Methoxyestratetraenone you'll know how it feels in the first 30 minutes. One reason why I suspect it gets mega hits is because there's none and there's Methoxyestratetraenone to buffer it, correct me if I'm wrong but you can also feel the P91 in it. If you have it, take it out and play with it then play with AM + TL and let me know what you think

According to steve ICM 2.0 was made using only readily available molecules from AD ie the golden 13 so if that is correct then there is no meo est in it, but there is definitely p91 in it, I'm also thinking there's some p74 and p102 in there

Some posts by SteveO at PT about the same time he released ICM 2.0 make me think thet p74, P83 and P91 are into it for sure.

I tried small amounts of those 3 in a mix I made (one of my first mixes, by the way) and had some jawdropping attention from a very young gir at the doctors office. Full Deer in the headlights, and could not stop staring at me. I was not very good at spotting hits at that time, but it was likes she could not close the mouth and stop staring at me. had hits from other women too, but as hass been often said around the bpard, older people tend to be better at hiding their reacyions.

Anyway, it´s just a comment based only in my hability to read between the lines, so take it as it is.

Anyway... Steve is around Pherotruth now. Maybe he feels like enlightening us a little bit on the issue...