Good thread here, I never thought of mixing AM + TL, which is strange because thinking of the contents of both it makes a lot of sense. I just got a sample sprayer of AM and I already have True Love... I should try this out tomorrow...

If I were to wear Glace and Androstadienone , would this give basically the same effects as True Love? If I remember right True Love is alpha/beta nols and Androstadienone ?

(01-07-2012 4:53 AM)kenpachi Wrote:  If I were to wear Glace and Androstadienone , would this give basically the same effects as True Love? If I remember right True Love is alpha/beta nols and Androstadienone ?

I doubt so. The main ingredient of TL is Methoxyestratetraenone , which is what make the mix so powerful!

(01-07-2012 4:53 AM)kenpachi Wrote:  If I were to wear Glace and Androstadienone , would this give basically the same effects as True Love? If I remember right True Love is alpha/beta nols and Androstadienone ?

Others might disagree with me on this, so please speak your mind if you think I'm wrong. I haven't really read much on the thread on DHEA and most of my experience of it has been with personal experimentation so here goes

One of the main components of Glace is DHEAS. DHEA is a very good social lubricant but as much as its a social lubricant, I'd like to call it a coolant as well. It generaly eliminates or negates negative emotions, slightly enhances focus and confidence in the wearer (some might gain heightened sense at the expenses of others, eg. smell) and surrounding persons but one of the reasons why it works well is also because it negates emotions, and certain emotions, "feelings" might be one of them and hence the "coolant" part and the ability to smoothen the social aspect, you're able and others feel they're able to connect with little fear of complications.

I haven't read much about DHEA and so far my personal experimentation has been limited to a few sources and mixes (Alpha Dream, Mengster's Homebrew, Androtics). I believe I have found the putatives corresponding to DHEA and DHEAS in AD's inventory (out of respect I won't post it here) and I believe that DHEA is and should positively be used in social or business environments or for those already in long term relationships, not for those interested in seduction

Whereas other products increase cheer or happiness, DHEA gives a general grounded feeling of wellbeing upon which cheer and happiness can be built, I vaguely read about how Diane and probably Tish wrote about various sensors and whatever are activated, I postulate that the portion of the brain which regulates falling in love, feeling emo, being emo and is able to disturb/wreck the balance of an individual.. Well DHEA works to block or dull that.

To give a better understanding to those who are pheromonally experienced, DHEA and PEA would cancel each other out.

Just order True Love and Alfa Maschio and work it together

Gslinger, do you have links to whatever you are referring to about sensors being activated with these molecules? If you don't mind sending me a PM too about what the corresponding putatives are, I would appreciate it. I'm slowly gathering whatever info I can about what is used in what companies' blends, in order to make my own, and will never order from Androtics.

Do you feel that DHEAS acts similarly to DHEA? From my limited experience I would say it does and from the structure I guess we would expect that. I have two experiences using 15/20µg of DHEAS along with 10µg neno and getting possible hits similar to what you describe here.

I don't get the part about "gain heightened sense at the expense of others", but I was just thinking before I read your post about my 2nd experience with this mix last night that it has a sort of disarming effect. I've been married 10 years and whereas sometimes my wife will be a sort of alpha-bitchy curmudgeon when we are out together running errands, these times using DHEAS she seemed sort of "disarmed" and both times she, somewhat out of character, quickly hugged me around the chest, one time saying something like "You're so fun to be around and do stuff with".

At this point I am suspicious of neno working as people have described, so that part of the equation can be ignored maybe, but I will test more today with DHEAS solo.

I would also speculate DHEAS has some sort of negating effect with alpha-THDOC like you mentioned but I would need to test more. I only tested a-doc two times and with very small amounts, but the first time solo I got a sort of OD/hangover effect. Testing again last night on the tail end of the DHEAS/neno combination didn't result in the same sort of mild "serotonin(?) hangover".

There´s little rejection when wearing DHEAS ...

And it creates a strong fascination in things ... surreal ..

EDIT . i forgot to mention that it works fantastic on guy´s ..

PEA cancels sorty all mixes out... read XPX´s journal .. he´s the guy who experimented the most with it as far as i know ..

Cheers,

Pago

Hi chypre, I'm sorry... I won't be posting or pm-ing anyone about the putatives for now

When I said heightened sense, at lower doses, it means a greater ability to focus, to zoom in for me, however my sense of smell is one of the first to go/be dulled.

I've only tried neno once with Deja Vu, Meng and another guy and so far what I know from it is from what I've read, so I can't comment much but in my opinion I felt that neno generates the sense of well being atop of whatever you have, sort of like in a burst out and around (to be fair, our experience was rather un-mainstream... so my opinion on Neno I must state right now, is biased). DHEA works from a different route, more of a grounded up whereas Neno permeates throughout. I'm going to order some neno from Chris in my next Alpha Dream order to ascertain my postulations.

I forgot to mention that at high doses, DHEA can possibly induce stoning. Guys who own DHEA and not DHEAS, please try OD-ing on the stuff and try thinking about random stuff, especially complex stuff. I've had 4 guys here including myself OD and stone on the stuff, 1 other guy was completely immune although he felt extremely unbothered and uninterested about life. I want to know if this is common to all at high doses.

With regards to DHEA negating the "complication/concern/worry process" I believe dose then comes into play as well as the dynamics of the nature of situation. At a certain dose it disarms, but if you disarm too much, *poof* and its gone. Long term couples can enjoy the benefits because the basis of attraction is already there, the DHEA takes away any "worry or fear" and what you have is two people feeling good and happy and already in love.

DHEA after you've hooked the girl to reduce LMR and resistance. But probably not before. Pago, do you think DHEA might induce "buyers remorse" even after closure?

This is a little off topic right now, we could copy and paste/ carry on the conversation in the DHEA thread.

(01-07-2012 1:44 PM)chypre Wrote:  Gslinger, do you have links to whatever you are referring to about sensors being activated with these molecules? If you don't mind sending me a PM too about what the corresponding putatives are, I would appreciate it. I'm slowly gathering whatever info I can about what is used in what companies' blends, in order to make my own, and will never order from Androtics.

Do you feel that DHEAS acts similarly to DHEA? From my limited experience I would say it does and from the structure I guess we would expect that. I have two experiences using 15/20µg of DHEAS along with 10µg neno and getting possible hits similar to what you describe here.

I don't get the part about "gain heightened sense at the expense of others", but I was just thinking before I read your post about my 2nd experience with this mix last night that it has a sort of disarming effect. I've been married 10 years and whereas sometimes my wife will be a sort of alpha-bitchy curmudgeon when we are out together running errands, these times using DHEAS she seemed sort of "disarmed" and both times she, somewhat out of character, quickly hugged me around the chest, one time saying something like "You're so fun to be around and do stuff with".

At this point I am suspicious of neno working as people have described, so that part of the equation can be ignored maybe, but I will test more today with DHEAS solo.

I would also speculate DHEAS has some sort of negating effect with alpha-THDOC like you mentioned but I would need to test more. I only tested a-doc two times and with very small amounts, but the first time solo I got a sort of OD/hangover effect. Testing again last night on the tail end of the DHEAS/neno combination didn't result in the same sort of mild "serotonin(?) hangover".

it´s been a while that i´ve been playing around with my home made DHEA ...

some lab grade stuff is on the way from Chris ( seems to be stuck at the customs )

DHEA seemed to buffer like crazy .. and from what we´ve seen with neno .. home made and neno lab grade from Chris we decided ( me and JohnnyHard ) to get some "real" stuff ...

coz it would us not serve much to invest much time into experiments with the home made thing when the lab grade stuff works better ..

What i´m pretty familiar with is DHEAS .... have been testing it quite a bit because i´ve been one of the blind testers of the last molecule testing project ..

one of the samples was DHEAS ... and i´m pretty sure what P it is !!

only few guy´s would have this one on their list .. but the self effects are that prominent ... you can say what you want about AD ... the synthesis of their molecules is .. or was .. top !

Pago

Just tried this mix today and i agree this is POWERFULL

2 AM and 4TL sprays in college,2 girls opening for small talk, guy actin very friendly,small talk too,and even got me a date with a girl from ma class who i barely know,but she always acts very interested when i got some mones on.

The thing is, i got this hits like 4 to 8 hours after the aplicattion,before that i got nuthin

I think we got a powerfull social mix here,i know both products got Androstadienone so maybee Androstadienone + Meo est are doing it??

In other news, I went out with Gathering Girl and another girl later on today, we'll call her Bookish Girl.

AM + TL makes the girls want to talk too. They become very chatty... They can't stop talking. I realised that Bar Girl and Unattractive Girl did quite some talking too on bar night. And it seems really really easy to slide in on conversation on relationships, their definition of relationships, what they're looking for etc etc.

I don't know if talking about all that is good though or from what angle. I think I'm at risk of causing self detriment and friend zoning myself (guys, any opinions on this one?)

It seems that the amount of sprays of TL actually affect whether an alpha or beta aura is given out given a constant main body of 2-3 sprays of AM.