Hey Guys,
Wow this is such a interesting topic, as i have wondered about this for years. Ever since the first time i put on A314 years ago i have wondered about this topic. As i have been affected by A314 till this day even when i scarcely wear it i still remember its affects and in some way carry its traits.
I have since then tried a couple more Alpha products like, BW, NA, AT, Instant Gentleman,Ascend. Because the term of Alpha Male is so broad in terms of characteristics. I think each product highlights a different type of Alpha characteristic. There is more then just bad boy and good guy persona's. The world is a rainbow of characteristics that can't be completely nailed to one.

BW seems to bring out the assertiveness in me, which makes me less afraid of asserting myself when with others.

A314 seems to bring out the attitude in me, wherever i go i expect to be treated like a king and if i don't i won't be afraid to voice it usually with a314 on i do.

NA seems to bring out the intenseness in me, when i wear NA i can create states of intense emotions with others.

Alpha Treasures: I just started wearing this one but i'm really liking it, it seems to bring out the collectiveness in me, when i wear this i am able to articulate alot better.

Instant Gentleman: It says what it does brings out the chivalry in me, when i wear this i feel like a real gentleman opening doors and smiling for the ladies just seem natural.

Ascend: I have limited testing on this only worn it couple times, but it seems to bring out a more serious tone in me somewhat like A314.

I think after wearing all these products they all seem to leave a somewhat residue lasting effect on me. I have to say that after i started wearing these Alpha Mones, it has changed my philosophy to the world alot. I confronted alot of previous problems i was hiding from. I pushed myself alot harder to reach my goals. I became more social and had more success with women. I credit alot of these to self-improvement but i would say mones were like my personal cheerleaders. They cheered me on everytime i put them on.

I agree that 'mones could be a catalyst for permanent change but as a novice have nothing concrete to add.

The Amy Cuddy TED video talks about her experiments with body language effecting the brain/person. Seems logical that if 'mones help you stand a little straighter and act alpha then the body is following. Neuro plasticity being what it is seems like eventually it could become a permanent habit like anything else. Like AS3's alpha thread, I think it would need to be hit from several angles until its just part of you.

If pheromones cause permanent change such as making someone an "alpha male" then I assume if you completely stop using pheromones you will continue to be an alpha male permanently thereafter ? Well in order for that to happen , I think it is someone's environment that determines who they are in that environment. Meaning if your body is naturally producing the relevant pheromones that signal you are an alpha male to your environment ie other people around you , AND your body language and behaviour also supports that signal then they will relate to you in that way and you will then continue to BE alpha male as long as this continues.

If however , you are not longer communicating to your environment in this manner , then you will not give alpha male signals except through your body language. I believe this will only last for a while as there will be a lack of congruence between your body language and your unconscious pheromonal signature. People will AMOG and shit test you and unless you somehow manage to continue believing you are alpha male with the resulting natural shift of your pheromone signature to an alpha signature you will possibly unfortunately revert back to no longer being seen as the alpha male in your environment.

If you do support yourself naturally to ensure you are an alpha male by training really hard and getting really physically strong , being a leader in your environment such as being the boss or a political leader etc then you will have more of a chance to continue to be alpha male without needing to top up with pheromones.

Otherwise if you are (taking an example ) an out of shape policeman without a firearm or badge , thugs won't really fear you without a support team of other cops around you (how your environment relates to you). Think of the firearm and badge as the pheromones you apply. If on the other hand you are physically intimidating and your body language and tone of voice all support alpha male traits then even without the added firearm and badge , you are still feared...

So if you stop using pheromones ... will your natural behaviour revert back eventually to not being alpha if your environment no longer gives you the feedback that this is who you are in your environment ? That's my question for you.

The answer I think is if your body starts to produce the relevant Alpha sig then you will continue to be alpha. If it doesn't then you will revert back...

(07-07-2015 12:32 AM)right_mr Wrote:  ...
The answer I think is if your body starts to produce the relevant Alpha sig then you will continue to be alpha. If it doesn't then you will revert back...

This is why making changes WITHIN first and foremost is so important. When external stimuli are removed, the change is permanent.

MIND is where it's at.

Just wanted to bring this back while also asking about how you've gone about using P75? In combo with other products? By itself?

Wondering how well it might pair in small doses with Overdose.

I've used Bad Wolf for about a month, day and night. I even put it on before I went to bed to immerse myself into the effects while sleeping. I haven't used to for a short while now, I'm testing Voodoo. And the BW effects have been permanent so far. Not as pronounced as they are when I'm wearing it, but they're there and I like it! I also know that I could reject them if I didn't like them. So they can be permanent if you let them.

(08-22-2015 8:42 PM)dorfmeister Wrote:  Just wanted to bring this back while also asking about how you've gone about using P75? In combo with other products? By itself?

Wondering how well it might pair in small doses with Overdose.

I typically only feel the need to use P75 in lighter alpha mixes. Used with Wolf, it helps buffer out the EST and prevent the "space invasion" effect typical of Wolf. Style may pair well with it too (and perhaps HAX's Black Ops), but this is most likely unnecessary, at least in the former's case (no EST in Style, to my knowledge).

OD is already a heavy enough mix, but if you want to use it with P75, I'd stick to 500ng.

Ekscentra, I don't think there is EST in Wolf(?). Garry said once that he doesnt use EST in his male formulas as "men care about their dicks"...something along those lines.
I believe Wolf contains DHEA, which gives increase of comfort but also some lowering of status. P75, P80/Androstanone can help counteract this.

(08-24-2015 3:41 PM)eibmoz Wrote:  Ekscentra, I don't think there is EST in Wolf(?). Garry said once that he doesnt use EST in his male formulas as "men care about their dicks"...something along those lines.
I believe Wolf contains DHEA, which gives increase of comfort but also some lowering of status. P75, P80/Androstanone can help counteract this.

I no longer believe that - the EST effects are readily apparent at high doses. I didn't see it before since I stuck to low dosages (1-4 drops), but if you're familiar with EST, 10+ drops makes it obvious enough. DHEA is a completely different animal, but yes it's in Wolf as well, along with P74 and Epiandrosterone.

E, refresh my memory please, what are the effects of EST in high doses? I use Wolf at 6-12 drops (1-2 sprays) so I'm curious to know if I've experienced this.