(08-24-2015 5:04 PM)kimosabe Wrote:  E, refresh my memory please, what are the effects of EST in high doses? I use Wolf at 6-12 drops (1-2 sprays) so I'm curious to know if I've experienced this.

When used with Androstenone or Androsterone-based mixes, EST will overbuffer the mix. There will be little or no intimidation - the mix is, for all intents and purposes, castrated. EST can cause excessive friendliness, others invading your space, and, in some men, giddiness. The sexuality of Evolve is more indirect because of the EST - I suspect there's quite a bit less EST in Wolf on a per-drop basis - maybe 1-3mcg? The effects of EST are quite noticeable even at Evolve's 7.5mcg, so your 12 drop dose should be more than enough.

I can't elaborate on the finer points of EST, since I typically keep my doses low. There were a few experiments with men testing over 100mcg EST on PheroTalk (I want to say it was for Warren's Sensuality Mix) - those reports might be more helpful to you.

Now it makes much more sense why Wolf works well at 1 spray with 1 drop DP, and 2 sprays don't work as well, even with a drop or two of DP.