Very brave, Shelly B. 600uG of ANYTHING sound massive to me. I wouldn't apply 600uG of cologne, let alone pheromones.

Thanks for your courage.

(08-27-2012 12:28 PM)Fly So Hi Wrote:  Very brave, Shelly B. 600uG of ANYTHING sound massive to me. I wouldn't apply 600uG of cologne, let alone pheromones.

Thanks for your courage.

FSH - in the hair? It really doesn't do the same. The time I did 600 mcgs to skin? HOLY MOTHER OF GOD that was terrible. BAD BAD BAD. Thought I was going to end up in the ER. If I didn't KNOW the hair diffused so differently with DHEAS by now - it's been 4 - 5 months playing with that molecule several times a week different ways - I wouldn't have even tried it.

In hair alone - seriously - It's not at all the same. It doesn't have body heat to diffuse it at the same rate - so it just leaches out over many, many hours at a much lower rate.

I think 400 mcgs in hair is the high end of good - get's great effects without going over. Again - girls hair is longer and it keeps away from the scalp - so I'm not getting very much if any - on skin. I don't think guys could use that much and get away with it.

But as far as the D2 - I can't speak to guys wearing it - but if I'm trying to get a POSITIVE reaction from the man - so far - my sweet spot is turning out to be 20 - 30 mcgs as an additive to a favorite blend. I have tried it all by itself. THAT was a bust. I had to go back and add the favorite blend back in because D2 on it's own is just not working on me. It really needs the base formula - and amp that...

Honestly - I am viewing it as the final dose of seasoning on the best female blends - almost like Sea Salt on the best Dark Chocolate you can find...there is nothing wrong with Dark Chocolate - but drop some Pink Himalayan Sea Salt on it? And there is magic...that's D2 on your best blend...the last little bit of missing magic...

Hmm, interesting. So it's almost like, in the hair, the quantity stands up for longevity instead of intensity, right?

(08-27-2012 12:43 PM)Shelly B Wrote:  D2 on it's own is just not working on me. It really needs the base formula - and amp that...

Very nice!

(08-27-2012 12:43 PM)Shelly B Wrote:  But as far as the D2 - I can't speak to guys wearing it

Why so?

(08-27-2012 1:27 PM)Fly So Hi Wrote:  Hmm, interesting. So it's almost like, in the hair, the quantity stands up for longevity instead of intensity, right?

(08-27-2012 12:43 PM)Shelly B Wrote:  But as far as the D2 - I can't speak to guys wearing it

Why so?

Yes - at least it seems to me - that quantity goes to longevity rather than intensity *unless* I use a whopper. For instance - yesterday - when I hit it at 600 mcgs - I *did* notice a difference in intensity - that combined with the D2 was too much - but without the D2 was fine. I still think the sweet spot with the length of hair, amount of hair product it get's tangled up in, is about 400 mcgs and will hang out about that if I am trying to get a max result. I don't use it in my hair most days - that's for a "shooting fish in a barrel" mix.

As far as the D2 - it's possible that D2 "wears" differently on men. It does have a feminine feel. Men *may* need to wear this differently, just as they would wear Est or Cops at different levels than a woman would - which could be why higher doses seem to throw a "gay" vibe to some of the testers. Just as I can't wear None or Androsterone at the same levels that are appropriate to Men.

For instance - Temptress has 'None as the second ingredient - and on me? One extra drop of Temptress to much makes InstaBitch - capable of eradicating small villages with the swipe of my very small fist. One spray - and one spray only - I'm a goddess and you may lick my boots. And if you are a good boy, you will like it. One droplet too much? You die. 'None on me does not play nice. It's an all or nothing Mone. I have to be exceedingly careful with it. I suspect because it's so aggressive and male. I react badly to large amounts of Est too - makes me weepy like when I was preggers...

Which may be why some guys are having a hard time with D2 and others are totally confident with it anyway. Some people can intake the different Mones and own them entirely - and others react badly to them.

Hence - a long explanation of why I think this is something that may have gender specific dosing...more intuition...Zero6 has a more scientific reason for believing it - if he wants to chime in...I'm playing from my gut...

I don't have a better way to explain it that this FSH - for me - Phero's have a "feel" to them. Each molecule "feels" different. Just as perfumes "feel" different. And different versions of different releases of the same Love Potion's perfumes "feel" different...

So - other people have science and chemistry - which I completely respect. I wish I had that. All I can tell you - is that I can spritz it - and it's almost like I feel moods and tones. It's sounds really weird. *I know it does.* It just is.

There are all these books about scent and how it's the least understood of the senses. I've read a couple. I walk away with the same thought - no one has this right yet and how can there be a sense that covers this much of our perception and so little practical research has been done on it?

In the meantime - I'll rely on people who can point to real science. And most times - I won't say a whole lot other than "it feels like...." because that's all I'm working with...

But if I had to put in a guess now after just a bit of testing - I would place a guess that this molecule is going to turn out to be something that is more feminine than masculine, more additive than prime (It's not Est, not Cops - NOT hardly) - but that it is NOT a minor find.

Awesome post, Shelly, thanks a lot! I tried to rep you but I have "da love thang".

I agree with you, each molecule has it's feel! I believe it is people like you -who can feel the molecule instead of cataloging it's effects- that makes the difference in really understanding a pheromone!

By the way, I just realised I could have offended other members who kindly share their findings on new molecules! It was really NOT my intention to do so. I am a cataloger myself!