In reading all the reviews of L2k and AM, I was a bit put off at the potential for dienone reactions/suicidal depression after medium/long-term usage.

Their efficacy was also notable, and so I am wondering if there are products by other vendors (LAL, APEX, XS) that would fall into a similar spectrum.

Have read good things about M3X being a nearly direct (or even superior) equivalent to L2K, while I'm still trying to pin down an AM equivalent...AV? BW? Ascend?

Finally, was considering taking the risk with L2K, and pro-actively self-dosing with Bliss to counteract any potential neg reactions from the dienone. Also looking at which neurotransmitters are getting depleted from moderate dienone usage. GABA might be a useful supplement. Bodes further research at least.

Thanks for the help.

OK, slow down and see point # 4 in this post

http://pherotruth.org/Thread-Five-Ideas-...pid=9#pid9

If androstedienone is a concern avoid it there are lots of products out there that do not involve "pro-activly self dosing "anything.

Suicidal depression from l2k?

(02-10-2016 4:43 PM)TongRen Wrote:  Bliss to counteract any potential neg reactions from the dienone.

Make sure to test bliss first, because some people have bad effects from it.Taa,shine,wolf,copulins might also work.Seriously,if sid effects are that bad,use a different product.Health > girls.

This thread might be useful http://pherotruth.org/Thread-For-the-newbies

You can't go wrong with AV if you're looking for proof that pheromones really do have an effect. It's a classic, just like AM and there's a lot of information and many success stories on the forum. M3X is also great, but you'll have to look a little harder for reactions. For me M3X is the closest I've gotten to L2K without the androstadienone and draining effects.

I do use L2K and Androstadienone weekly. I find that the negative effects on me vary from negligible to mildly emotional.

I take a variety of supplements which I'm sure that in the right combination eliminate any negative effects.

I don't take them all every day but what I do take include:

C0Q10- Take once per week
Bio PQQ - Take once per week with above.
Magnesium L-Threonate
L-Theanine - Before presentations and relaxing evenings when early sleep is welcome.
Rhodiola
Krill Oil
Vit-D up to 7000 IU every 3 days

as well as some B',E'

Eat somewhat healthy but ingest above average alcohol.

Also,

Walk to work. Adds up to 25 KM per week.
Lift weights 3 times per week.
spinning - 30 mins twice per week.
Run 3-5 km (incl stairs) twice per week.


And some x-country or downhill skiing.
Power Fucking (hard and fast)

Then day to day activities. Course I'm sitting in an office behind a computer 8 hours per day.

I'm 52

These have been associated with mood enhancement, improved sleep, and cortisol suppression .

I feel this is a better way to manage your reaction to Androstadienone or any mild depression than adding another mone product and skewing your primary mones effects.

(02-10-2016 7:37 PM)Blacky Chan Wrote:  Suicidal depression from l2k?

http://pherotruth.org/Thread-LIIK-V2-Test-Vial?page=6

Kind of made me rethink things.

(02-10-2016 7:43 PM)jb20 Wrote:  Make sure to test bliss first, because some people have bad effects from it.Taa,shine,wolf,copulins might also work.Seriously,if sid effects are that bad,use a different product.Health > girls.

This thread might be useful http://pherotruth.org/Thread-For-the-newbies

Was interested in what sorts of bad reactions. Tried the search function, but no joy. Copulins are definitely helping keep mood and focus elevated.

(02-11-2016 9:03 AM)Emil Wrote:  You can't go wrong with AV if you're looking for proof that pheromones really do have an effect. It's a classic, just like AM and there's a lot of information and many success stories on the forum. M3X is also great, but you'll have to look a little harder for reactions. For me M3X is the closest I've gotten to L2K without the androstadienone and draining effects.

Do you really think M3X is anything like l2k v1? I had women open me with no involvement on my part (aside from making eye contact and passing by them)... I've even had women do a dance in front of me with l2k v1 to get my attn.

I saw none of this with m3x.. I find m3x more action man oriented formula.

It does have disinhibition, but that's as much as it has in common with l2k v1.

(02-12-2016 2:12 PM)dsouza Wrote:  Do you really think M3X is anything like l2k v1? I had women open me with no involvement on my part (aside from making eye contact and passing by them)... I've even had women do a dance in front of me with l2k v1 to get my attn.

I saw none of this with m3x.. I find m3x more action man oriented formula.

It does have disinhibition, but that's as much as it has in common with l2k v1.

I should've specified that I was using L2Kv2 and not v1. I've never used v1 before, so take what I say with a grain of salt if you're using v1.

With v2 I still have to put in a bit of work, but I find myself in situations where women seem to be almost magically appearing next to me with open bodylanguage, inviting eye contact, ready to be opened. There's no really no fear or intimidation from their part. They feel comfortable and they openly show sexual interest (more or less obviously depending on location, time of day, alcohol involved etc). I get these behaviors from girls with M3X on also, but to a lesser degree.

Where I've noticed that they are different is that L2K is more sensual, whereas M3X is more verbal. Hard to explain, but I'll try. With L2K it's like I feel more connected with my body and I have an easy time communicating sexuality with my body and words. I really feel like a Casanova and I get better self effects with L2K. With M3X I don't really feel different than usual, but sometimes I catch myself being more honest forward verbally than my baseline. It's a weird feeling of being slightly incongruent, but strangely women ALWAYS respond favorably. M3X has verbal disinhibition, which often leads to sexual conversations.

Anyway, these are just my observations. I'm not saying they're exactly the same, but I someone is looking for a product like L2Kv2 for getting girls comfortable and turned on, then M3X would accomplish the same thing.