(10-05-2015 7:36 AM)Paradox Wrote:  Androstenone is as old as the hills. All of the Veterans here have posted an Androstenone report. Androstenone was one of the first pheremones to be discovered. Love Scent used to offer it in a small chemistry kit.

Most of the Androstenone reports are on the old Love Scent forums. Some are on the Pherotalk forums. Androtics offers it in it's pure form.

In fact, at least 4 Vendors sell pure Androstenone. You can buy Androstenone from Androtics, True Pheromones, PheromoneXS, Liquid Alchemy Labs and Love Potion Magickal Perfumerie.

Yep, I have the PhermoneXS version, which I'm going to try solo soon. I've tried it before, but only as part of a mix.

I'm a Love Scent veteran and had the old chem set (not that I can remember the results from trying it, nor can I find any of my old notes on using it). However, doing scans of all three aforementioned forums for single molecule androstenone testing leaves relatively few report, certainly not enough, in my opinion, to properly distinguish the results from the PI results.

Androstenone alone - I wore that plenty of times before I tried more complex products and got the hang of mixing.

Broadly - its good, no fantastic when you meet someone turned-on to it and in the right environment to react positively.

However it can also be a complete and utter failure if you get the dose/environmen wrong - particularly OD, which can have women treating you as pushy/creepy, guys and girls (esp younger) getting pissed-off at you for next to no reason at all or ghosting/avoiding you completely.

Self effects-wise, it can make you feel good - almost godlike one day but again a change of situation/environment and you can feel like a pissed-off, fidgety, argumentative arsehole.

Qualitiy varies between manufacturers and poor stuff can start to smell pissy quite quickly.

So if you are going to try Androstenone it is worthwile but use a good cover scent and maybe have something social in your pocket to moderate it/tone it down if things start to go-badly.

I've historically used higher Androstenone products when I am on the prowl. The last few days I've used a couple heavy in it and I've had some reactions and wondering if some of the wizards are here can affirm whether it sounds like an Androstenone OD:

Some women, I would say those with lower self esteem or stress issues, reactive negatively and challenging. I would almost say like PMS behavior. The rest seem perky, and I get normal or humorous reactions. But I am not getting any sexual cues. But this is in the community and workplace.

Older male friends, seem to really enjoy my company, like a Mad Men entourage thing. Older male male strangers seem to be "wary".

Since I've also been wearing a few socials (nols) p83, and A314, not sure that it is the Androstenone. But I've got a lot of it on. My theory is that large Androstenone will over power the rones and the socials.

Anyhow, my impression is that outside of being on the prowl, I should keep the Androstenone low in workplace/community situations?

Any wisdom out there? Sound about right?

This doesn't sound like an androstenone OD per se - anrrostenone's polarizing nature is something to be expected at most doses. As for the lack of sexual responses, if you're not in an environment conducive to sexual responses, you'll have to steer things in that direction first. Otherwise, those responses may take on a different nature.

Try wearing even more if steering things in a sexual direction doesn't give you the expected results. Additionally, if you find the negative responses overly problematic, purchase XSP96 @ 25mcg/spray. Use up to 50mcg if needed to temper the none. P96 does this without reducing the intensity of the hits whilst reducing if not downright eliminating most negative responses.

Thanks you cracked the code - it is "polarizing" and I would add that it magnifies the signals I'm sending. This explains a lot - when I've been projecting an effusive personality, the hits have been off the charts. And so while it can amp up my alpha and drive, I think I'm going to reserve it for those moments I'm just generally walking on sunshine in the first place.

I was planning an outing with a girl friend for the weekend. In the middle of the planning, she starts hitching her skirt back unconsciously. I start to look. She then realizes what she is doing and she pulls it way back and she is like I can't wait to get nasty.

I remind her that we'll be around a bunch of friends 24/7 with no privacy, and she says just wait til they are all asleep.

So I go home shower off all the androstenone with game soap, witch hazel, mint etc. Put plain old A314. When I see her again, she is totally compliant, and not flirtacious and suggests maybe I come out tomrrow - that it might be too crowded tonight and that since I said I wanted time to work on a few projects, she wanted to support me in that.

So is the difference between none and Androsterone that dramatic? Just kind of a funny side note.

(05-27-2016 12:01 PM)Ekscentra Wrote:  This doesn't sound like an androstenone OD per se - anrrostenone's polarizing nature is something to be expected at most doses. As for the lack of sexual responses, if you're not in an environment conducive to sexual responses, you'll have to steer things in that direction first. Otherwise, those responses may take on a different nature.

Try wearing even more if steering things in a sexual direction doesn't give you the expected results. Additionally, if you find the negative responses overly problematic, purchase XSP96 @ 25mcg/spray. Use up to 50mcg if needed to temper the none. P96 does this without reducing the intensity of the hits whilst reducing if not downright eliminating most negative responses.

Yes, none and androsterone are nothing alike. Although A314 itself isn't quite so similar to androsterone either. There's much more to that mix, and in my opinion it's not primarily driven by androsterone either. There's something else there that establishes the foundation. P106, though only analysis will confirm this belief.