(12-05-2015 9:14 AM)satria Wrote:  Hi bro...i'm affraid i can not help you much on this. Since I don't have Apex and PT's products yet.

My order from PT is still on the way now, i ordered Alpha Treasure and asked John for GOA sample, hopefuly it will arrived next week.
Side note; GoA has androstadione that could give bad effect the wearer, and as you aren't aware yet of your sensitivity to dienone, its wise to try the sample first before buying a full bottle. As i do now.

Now for Apex, its on top priority vendor for my next purchase. I will get them as soon as i have extra fund. I'm looking forward to try Thundr's masterpieces.

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Now, about your current situation, this is my 2 cents;

I feel you bro , the first purchase is always the most difficult one. Don't worry, you are not alone, we all have been there

We were reading so much, sometime up to the point of information overload. Then we get confused, overwhelmed.

But in the end, its you who need to take the 1st step. Don't get lost trying to find the perfect one, digging too early to figuring out the best of the best product in your 1st try.

You need to start somewhere.

If you have no problem spending more money right off the bat, then go ahead. Make a several purchase from several different vendor. Buy anything that reported doing great for others. That would be awesome.

But if you dont have that luxury, i suggest you stick with one vendor first. Buy two products from one vendor (one that reported great for work, one that praises good for attraction, and ask a samples of socials, sexual, status or whatever available).

Now, for added reason why i recommended wolf:

Wolf has stood the test of time, very long time. Its been around for years, before many new contenders came up. Wolf has been used and loved by abundant others, so the reports on it already considered solid and somehow conclusive. You can do a search, there are many thread titled about wolf.

Yes, nothing really perfect in this world. You can find recent criticism about wolf came from user who doesn't feel right with buddy buddy vibe given by wolf. But really, i think its really just about personal preferences.

Because for me, (and many other indonesian fellow), this buddy buddy vibe is perfect for our conservative environment, religious culture (possess alpha and nude also do wonder in my environment for ladies attraction).

I believe malaysia and indo is similar.

With wolf on, you are everybody friends, likeable guy, non threatening vibe, to your clients, boss, work partners, friends, family, male female, young old, you named it. It also makes you calm, collected, good mood. And it smells damn good. You just can't go wrong with it.

If someday you feel you need more 'serious' Tough Alpha aura, you can always step up to another Alpha blend available.

Check the recent thread about top alpha choice 2015. But i warn you, its not conclusive yet. The more you read, the more you likely hesitate to act.

Have fun brother ...

Hi Satria. Yes. I'm overwhelmed. Like a baby learn to walk. But now, I will go for wolf. U are right when u said it suitable to our culture, since not much difference between Indonesia and Malaysia.

Ok then. I go for Wolf. Others than Wolf, I will put on my wish list. Glad all of u around, give me advice and help me walk on amazing Phero world.

Thanks again brother.

hello kawan kawan ku from indonesia and malaysia!

any updates on the mones you guys purchased or tried?

please do share!