(06-21-2017 4:56 AM)Svengali Wrote:  No idea what PEA stands for..

Phenylethylamine

It is produced in humans from one of the essential amino acids,namely Phenylalanine.

It is also in certain foods like chocolate. This may explain at least partly (there are other excitatory compounds in chocolate besides PEA and caffeine) why chocolate is one of those foods given as a present to lovers. However, some tests also show that salami may also be a rich source.

Oh well, candy is dandy,but liquor is quicker to quote Ogden Nash.

(06-21-2017 8:29 AM)TheManInTheFedora Wrote:  Phenylethylamine

It is produced in humans from one of the essential amino acids,namely Phenylalanine.

It is also in certain foods like chocolate. This may explain at least partly (there are other excitatory compounds in chocolate besides PEA and caffeine) why chocolate is one of those foods given as a present to lovers. However, some tests also show that salami may also be a rich source.

Oh well, candy is dandy,but liquor is quicker to quote Ogden Nash.

Haaaa. Repping ya now Fedora. U always come up with awsome info.

I look like a chocolate and that may have something to do too. Lol.

(06-21-2017 8:29 AM)TheManInTheFedora Wrote:  Phenylethylamine

It is produced in humans from one of the essential amino acids,namely Phenylalanine.

It is also in certain foods like chocolate. This may explain at least partly (there are other excitatory compounds in chocolate besides PEA and caffeine) why chocolate is one of those foods given as a present to lovers. However, some tests also show that salami may also be a rich source.

Oh well, candy is dandy,but liquor is quicker to quote Ogden Nash.

Nice! Does anyone know of a product that contains this molecule? Or has done any testing with it?

(06-21-2017 9:38 AM)Svengali Wrote:  Nice! Does anyone know of a product that contains this molecule? Or has done any testing with it?

Imprint from Apex contains PEA, and is still (somewhat surprisingly) sitting at the very top of my list as imprinting mixes go. However, it's not just PEA. On its own, PEA's effects onky hold for 30 minutes maximum. You need an extender.

I suspected this might work, and some time after testing this, I came across a post from wiserd suspecting the same. I hypothesized that the same MAO-B enzymes that break down PEA internally were doing so on the skin. It appears this is a likely possibility, but in either case, adding Hordenine at 100 times the dose of PEA can extend its effects for a few more hours. 0.5-1mcg and 50-100mcg are the respective ideal dose ranges, I've found (and credit to NP17 for initial testing).

How do you know it contains PEA? Is this written somewhere?

(06-21-2017 5:15 PM)ps775 Wrote:  How do you know it contains PEA? Is this written somewhere?

thundr PMed me this info last year. Normally I wouldn't reveal this except to emphasize that Imprint sets itself apart from every other imprinting mix on the market for this reason and more. You won't be able to isolate the effects of PEA until you've used it on its own, since Imprint is such a complex mix.

(06-21-2017 4:18 PM)Ekscentra Wrote:  I hypothesized that the same MAO-B enzymes that break down PEA internally were doing so on the skin. It appears this is a likely possibility, .

This is plausible as I did a quick look-sy that indeed MAO-B enzymes are present in the outer membrane of mitochondria within most cell types...it may be in skin cells. Hence, the breakdown would occur as alcohol does penetrate through skin...thus, totally possible.

Thanks for bringing this up.

Can't seem to find much on P88....has anyone tried this putative and seen any imprinting properties?

(06-23-2017 2:13 PM)DarkLord1 Wrote:  Can't seem to find much on P88....has anyone tried this putative and seen any imprinting properties?

It's no longer possible to obtain P88, but its effects were successfully reverse-engineered years ago by Warren. We'll never know exactly what P88 contained, but considering Warren found that particular combination superior to the original, I doubt we'll ever need to. Opus, the first imprinting mix I formulated that was too expensive for commercial applications, utilized this reverse-engineered P88 as a base mix with complimentary components to build up and round out the effects.

A short summary from NP17 below. You can find further reports from his journal, and others from Nicksw:

"1. Opus. This is Ekscentra's fallout mix, currently in development. I have been testing various permutations of this for a while. I could see that it had potential, but after a recent high-androsterone test, I have seen first-hand what this can do. It is so social, so smooth, soooo dominant, and the fallout is legendary, like nothing I've ever tried, all without self-imprinting, lethargy, or negative self-effects. The self-effects are pretty rad, too, actually. I've combo'ed a lot of alphas with relationship mixes, and it's either weak, beta, or has bad self-effects. So to see all of these things together in one mix, it's very exciting. I would love to see this developed and released."

(06-24-2017 4:21 AM)Ekscentra Wrote:  It's no longer possible to obtain P88, but its effects were successfully reverse-engineered years ago by Warren. We'll never know exactly what P88 contained, but considering Warren found that particular combination superior to the original, I doubt we'll ever need to. Opus, the first imprinting mix I formulated that was too expensive for commercial applications, utilized this reverse-engineered P88 as a base mix with complimentary components to build up and round out the effects.

A short summary from NP17 below. You can find further reports from his journal, and others from Nicksw:

"1. Opus. This is Ekscentra's fallout mix, currently in development. I have been testing various permutations of this for a while. I could see that it had potential, but after a recent high-androsterone test, I have seen first-hand what this can do. It is so social, so smooth, soooo dominant, and the fallout is legendary, like nothing I've ever tried, all without self-imprinting, lethargy, or negative self-effects. The self-effects are pretty rad, too, actually. I've combo'ed a lot of alphas with relationship mixes, and it's either weak, beta, or has bad self-effects. So to see all of these things together in one mix, it's very exciting. I would love to see this developed and released."

Can someone elaborate what is Opus ? Where can i buy it ?

Is it black ops the same with opus ?