From my very limited testing of self effects from both Beta-THDOC and p83 i believe there could be quite some similarities.
I wouldn't go as far as to say that both are identical right now, but MAYBE they are.
I'll have to do some more testing in social surroundings.

Quote:So iam kinda confused,p83 actually have those bad effects that kmacc says? I thougt it was an excellent all around product

Depends on how you view it preck. Is it a good thing that the women throws herself at the guy she likes best in her proximity? If you are that guy, then probably yes, if not then maybe no. There's no doubt that p83 got it's uses, though.

I wonder why there are so few tests of beta-THDOC as of yet. IMO p83 is one of the best sexual attracant 'mones over at AD.

Aight thanks for the feedback,its just i wanna try one of these Molecules but idk wich one i should go for,i am mad i didnt knew about mones when AD had the best P's for sale...

Anyways i think i will go for the Neno!!

This thread reminds me of FTL and Tiger Juice...

(10-04-2011 9:34 AM)kmacc45 Wrote:  Not good for ignition on first contact of a target. The target might have eyes for another.
P-83 / Beta THDOC will drop all barriers and you might be left out in the cold if that person (the target's desire) is in the Vicinity.
Also be prepared for the naked truth.
If that person like you or love you, they will show it. If they don't they won't.
the target went after someone they had their eye on for a long time.

(10-20-2011 8:32 AM)kmacc45 Wrote:  Is it a good thing that the women throws herself at the guy she likes best in her proximity? If you are that guy, then probably yes, if not then maybe no.

(10-20-2011 5:42 PM)Pheroman Wrote:  This thread reminds me of FTL and Tiger Juice...

Thanks for the hint Pheroman! Repped. I never tried any of their blends, but it could be that beta-THDOC is in FTL and/or Tiger Juice.

I remember Diane saying just a few words about beta-THDOC:
http://myforum.paradise7.org/user/Discus...?id=295823
If beta-THDOC gives me effects, like it supposedly did yesterday, it'll definitely make it into my mixes.

So yesterday, I received my order of Alpha TH-DOC and Beta TH-DOC. I got to play with them at a party

Application: 20mcg A-DOC, 20 mcg B-DOC, 10mcg Androstanone, 10mcg Androstatrione, 2 shots of True Love and 2 Shots of True Opener.

Self Effects: Felt relaxed and really spacey, had to remind myself to concentrate on driving. Inner dialogue running in my mind.

What I can recall: About 30 minutes after application, I went to the liquor store to pick up a nice bottle of Hennessy for the party. I was cracking jokes when I was at the cash register, they seemed to really enjoy the short moment I was there.
After that, went to the party, gave myself a 20mcg boost of B-DOC. Entered the apartment, most of the people here saw me a couple days ago, but they were acting like it has been forever. I felt like the center of attention. I was also still in the mood of cracking jokes.
Both male and female paid very close attention to everything I had to say. If anything, it felt like they were concentrating on everything that I said.
There were times where I would catch someone spacing out at me. Both male and female were affected, one girl did not notice some guy was talking to her and her excuse was she was watching me pour myself a beer lol. There were times where I would make some bullshit story of how something came to and everyone was into it. The ladies kept brushing into me, making eye contact, playing with hair, licking lips, just super indicators of epic interest. I got a nice crotch rub also ;)
All of the above happened within almost 3 hours into the night.
There were times where the mones would backfire on my moralities. I know my limits, and when it comes to the GF's of my best friends, I just keep it to some good ol' conversation, laughter, and friendly hugs at the most. This one situation came when I guess one of my friends gf really wanted to do something, told someone else, and her reason why is that she wanted to do something with me was that she just felt like it.
Rest of the night was basically like the above, around the end/chill.

It was a real good night. I feel like this mix gave James Bond's Bondness, Brad Pitt's attractiveness, Dave Chappelle's comedic attraction, and Criss Angel's mystique all blended into a smoothie of mass attraction.

I'm going to experiment with the molecules separately later and report.

Great .....

did not get much out of the Th-doc's yet ...

how did you see the role of Androstanone in the mix ... most probably the starring comes from A-none ... !!

have you noticed the beautifying effects of Ta-trione ?

at this low dose ... ?


hmm really interesting test ...

Pago

I really like the alpha-THDOC -- whenever I open the bottle a giant smile runs across my face, and I can say it brings a certain melody to mind; a certain note that I can literally hear, which reminds me of a wind instrument tuning in and out. Strange stuff, but very relaxing and enjoyable.

Beta-THDOC reminds me of it's alpha brother, only a lot weaker of an effect and midly off-putting.

The only drawback is that I've found it to be very sedating, and can distract someone from important tasks such as driving -- which is why I'm not entirely comfortable putting it into the formulas in any appreciable quantity.

Be careful with the THDOCS if you are going to drive - put them on after you arrive safetly to your destination.

THDOCs (especially alpha) are naturally found in the brain as neurosteroids, which are released to alleviate stress and fear, mainly during childhood, and they act on the brain as hypnotics.

(11-11-2011 12:30 PM)Pagodeiro Wrote:  Great .....

did not get much out of the Th-doc's yet ...

how did you see the role of Androstanone in the mix ... most probably the starring comes from A-none ... !!

have you noticed the beautifying effects of Ta-trione ?

at this low dose ... ?


hmm really interesting test ...

Pago

Im not sure about the A-none, and A/B TH-DOC since that was my first encounter with those molecules w/o any pre testing haha.

I didn't pay much attention to the beautifying effects since the place had a dozen of bombshells. But maybe they saw me as a beautified entity.

I tested both p83 and beta th-doc recently and I found p83 to be way more effective for me. As I said before, I didn't get any increased kino from beta th-doc but I did from the p83! My bf was very sweet when I wore p83 and wanted to take pictures of me (maybe it has a beautifying effect). I don't see these effects with beta th-doc. So perhaps they are not the same molecule after all, at least they don't work the same for me.

I have tested this molecule extensivly and I am 99% sure that it is not P83. I have found very little similarities between the 2. B-DOC did not display the smooth comfort, kino, or inhabition lowering qualities of P83.

B-DOC seems more like a focusing molecule to me but it is very eratic. It somehow seems to promote focus.......but in a distracting way. A-DOC seems to help you focus on 1 task and block out distraction while B-DOC will have you focused on 1 thing for a miute then focused on something else the next. Its the only molecule that I can recall that had me focused and confused at the same time.

B-DOC (to me) seems to repel people more than draw them to you. People seem confused around around me. As in.....like they are getting a weird vibe from me. I have never seen that with P83 in the slightest. Chris really hit the nail on the head when he used the word "off-putting". I havent seen anything really useful from this molecule at this point.

Its brother has a lot more potential in my eyes and I am finding good uses for it. A-DOC seems to be the winner for me at this point.