Great stuff! Thanks for putting this project together. I hope to be a part of round 2.

Hey everyone, this thread has been dormant for a bit, but that doesn't mean that nothing is happening. We have our testers and reports are coming in, and I gotta say it's pretty interesting to follow.

We haven't really finalized conclusions about any of the molecules yet, but how about we give you a little teaser and let you read a couple of the reports that have come in on molecules that each of the testers have already made several reports on?

One of the blind testers Wrote:As Sample B does nothing but confuse me at this point, I decided to finish out Sample A this week to draw some conclusions. Well, I have done just that so here we go.

My best self effects were felt at 2 drops but saw the best results from others while wearing 3 drops. My impression is that this molecule is masculine and social with the abilty to draw people into you. In other words, it seems to draw peoples interest into what you are saying. This was apperant in both male and females. The attraction(love,lust) aspect of this molecule is there but I cant really comment on it. This aspect will need more testing before I can feel comfortable commenting on it.

There is a calming/confidence aspect to this as well. I think I put it in my first report and I can say that I saw a consistant lessening in social anxiety. I found it much easier to initiate a convo or offer my opinion in a group setting while wearing this. This seems to be an easy going molecule IMO.

Now, for some other thoughts. My impressions are that this could be a very versitile molecule. This would be a great to wear with androsterone in a work setting. I believe it could add to the masculine, leader vibe that Androsterone gives you. The fact that it helps with confidence and has social aspects to it could be beneficial to someone who does alot of presentations.

I could also see it used as a social mone. Mixed with a molecule like TAA,(sorry only refernce I have) and A-nol it could add a masculine edge to a social vibe. Again I think Androsterone would work well here.

Thats my story. I would be happy to offer more if there are specifics you want to get into.

Another of the testers conclusion on molecule B Wrote:THIS WILL BE MY FINAL OVER ALL REVIEW OF SAMPLE B

dosage/location
Typical 2-4 drops on neck, behind the ears and on the wrists.

self effects
After about 5 minutes of wearing sample B I get into a motivated mood. Like if I have a class and I put it on in the morning, I just feel more obligated and more motivated to get there faster, or for another example I had to study for a test, I put some sample B on and right away i just wanted to get to the library faster in order to study.
After about 30 min of wearing sample B, I just get REALLY pissed off. everything just seams to annoy me. The way my professor teaches, the way my friends talk, what ever it is, i just get annoyed and pissed off. Its not an aggression type of feel like androstenone where i get the feeling of "FUCK YOU! I'll beat you up!" its more of a "shut the FUCK UP! im SO close to slapping you" type of feel. also, after about 30 min is when the "motivation" effect wears off and it basically becomes replaced by the "pissed off" vibe.

These were the only 2 consistent vibes i got from them and personally I REALLY did not like this sample because of the pissed off effect. after about the 6th time of wearing sample B I became really cautious of when to wear them because I didn't want to destroy any ties with any of my friends or get into stupid arguments.

Effects on others
So with other males, there were no noticeable effects on them unless i was within their proximity for at least 30-45 min where I can easily see the "pissed off" effect happening on them. Like in a study group with my friends, we would all be studying and then after awhile most of the people there just got pissed off and VERY frustrated to the point to where they gave up on studying.

So now with girls, The effects were interesting and I'm going to stick with alot of what i've said before. I can tell that this molecule does increase conversation with girls, but in unnatural or awkward ways. Like for example I was talking to a girl and I said something and she responded with that pitch and tone like she was talking to a young child or how you would talk to someone who looks REALLY shy at a party just for the sake of trying to make them feel like their fitting in.... definitely not the kind of conversation i would want to have with a girl. I fee like l it makes them feel obligated to talk to you, instead of wanting to talk to you... but i guess none the less they're talking to you lol.

So thats my nutshell of how sample B works, maybe this molecule didn't work for me PERSONALLY, but I mean i find myself pretty good at nitpicking the details out of how people react to different molecules so thats what i think of this. I could see this molecule working in mixes really well, but DEFINITELY NOT a stand alone... I mean if a girl feels ever so slightly obligated to talk to you, it might open some doors for you and for the other molecules you're wearing to kick in. But yeah so now for a guess on what i think this molecule is and i could be completely wrong, but I think this might be one of Chris' chemically altered Androstenone molecules. I mean it feels like its trying everything possible to be androstenone... but jsut isnt succeeding at being it lol. I mean maybe its even AndrostAnone... I've never used Androstanone as a stand alone before, only in mixes that had it (which i find to be pretty good mixes!) lol so yeah lets see if im right

And to our testers, if either of these reports were written by you, please don't let on to it. With the way this project was setup and none of you knowing who the others are, there is absolutely ZERO chance of communications between each other or the possibility of tainted reporting due to anticipating the same effects reported by someone else .

You guys are doing a FANTASTIC job, and we appreciate all of you!

The new drive to identify ADR putatives reminded me that we have a number of new molecules waiting to finish blind testing! How's it coming along?

Well, only one of the testers have finalized their reports on any of the molecules so far, and two of them seem to have totally bailed on the project.

All in all I'm a little on the irritate side and the project is a very sore spot with me right now!!!

On the bright side, we ended up with 2 additional testers, because one had to bow out and forwarded the molecules to another tester, and the other decided to share testing with another member, and they are actively participating and reporting.

As for the ones that haven't bothered to post any reports on the molecules in well over a month, unless that changes and changes real soon, they will never participate in any PheroTruth project again.

We are now over 3 months into the project and can't even put together a single summary and conclusion yet. Pretty disappointing!

Yeah, it's tough to get people to follow through on things sometimes. But as time goes by we'll end up with a group of reliable testers. Maybe future tests should do one molecule at a time, though. Testing 3 molecules is a lot of work!

I tried.

Don't get too down, guys. We're just getting started, so missteps are inevitable. There is some data already; worst case scenario you recruit a few more testers and keep going til the data is good enough. I personally would have no problem covering any costs for testing materials I was using, and I doubt many of the other regulars would either. We're in this together

(05-23-2011 12:46 AM)dbot Wrote:  Don't get too down, guys. We're just getting started, so missteps are inevitable. There is some data already; worst case scenario you recruit a few more testers and keep going til the data is good enough. I personally would have no problem covering any costs for testing materials I was using, and I doubt many of the other regulars would either. We're in this together

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