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Italian Polish female.. Quite business oriented.. very beautiful.. Works for an aesthetics company with long hours but loves her work.

5'7" - 5'8" in height and around 130 lbs 26 y.o

She's seen me half nude (shirt off) the last 2 visits but keeps things professional. She has yet to show signs of interest beyond business.

I have used IS AMMO p75 IO around her twice and she is more at ease with me and smiles and laughs, but is still not into me.

How can I get her attracted? I realize I should get into better shape till I see her next so when I pull off my shirt she'll be more turned on, and impressed with my progress in the gym.

In any case the mones which work don't get her into me. I do 90% of the talking while she concentrates on the machines she's using to do my hyperpigmentation healing on my stomach (What I'm being treated for which is why i go there).

She can be very defensive if she wants to be.. She's pleasant but will stand up for herself and is very proud of her work.

Any ideas what better mones may suit me now that she's been exposed to my signal?

I'm earlier 40's 5'8" 175 lbs Portugese/East Indian.

Career women tend to dig a314. Pair it with Androstadienone /cohesion and you should be good to go. Personally i would add Methoxyestratetraenone too or use TL in place of cohesion for that crushy vibe. You could also try Steve's new Crush XS, but i have not tested that myself.

(08-17-2013 5:34 AM)smartkid Wrote:  Career women tend to dig a314. Pair it with Androstadienone /cohesion and you should be good to go. Personally i would add Methoxyestratetraenone too or use TL in place of cohesion for that crushy vibe. You could also try Steve's new Crush XS, but i have not tested that myself.

Yeah I agree with you about a314 but I kinda don't like it.. Doesn't agree with me really. And I can't stand the shit testing.. I get that in almost every sentence from people its ridiculous.. It helped me reach an all time low.

Androstadienone is out of the question. Depression Depression Depression. Get it everytime.

The only mix by Steve I have is Evolve.. I have the oil and spray and the spray works 50x better than the oil for ME. However, I only have like 30 min or so with her. There's a good chance I won't get the most of Evolve spray during such a short meet. It's not a date.

Never tried Crush XS.. I will look it up.. Must be brand new...

I hate to say this but a314 does require some congruency to work. One can't just dress like a valet and expect to pull off the vibe given off by a314. I always use a314 during meetings, and i tend to get way less doubts and questions from the BOD or shareholders with it on. You could also try xist(xs105a), which does not contain Androstadienone iirc. While i still have yet to come to any solid conclusion on DP, many reviews suggest that it can be quite an attraction mone.

(08-17-2013 7:46 AM)smartkid Wrote:  I hate to say this but a314 does require some congruency to work. One can't just dress like a valet and expect to pull off the vibe given off by a314. I always use a314 during meetings, and i tend to get way less doubts and questions from the BOD or shareholders with it on. You could also try xist(xs105a), which does not contain Androstadienone iirc. While i still have yet to come to any solid conclusion on DP, many reviews suggest that it can be quite an attraction mone.

What about AV or nude alpha? Will it work on her? If so which one is better.. I already have NA and I like it but OD is real or sometimes applying to little to does nothing.. Its hard to dose. I am willing to buy AV if you think its better than NA. Comments?

I have been using IS AMMo p75 Io on her.. Perhaps another option will be to add in IH and keep this mix the same?

I find that AV is more for going attracting younger girls. Why don't you try N.A and glace? It's basically As3's fall in love mix without the Androstadienone .

(08-17-2013 8:36 AM)smartkid Wrote:  I find that AV is more for going attracting younger girls. Why don't you try N.A and glace? It's basically As3's fall in love mix without the Androstadienone .

I have a party this afternoon (family gettogether ) so its not the best testing ground but I am wearing NA, and 4 sprays Glace Slowburn.

Boy its 1 hr in and I feel so RELAXED.. Almost with no drive. I don't feel like initiating. I was with a female friend and she did all the talking, I just sat there listening and reaffirming what she said.

I think this mix goes down as a man with no balls mix.. Its married women bait as As3 said. It gonna seduce women who want a man whose a supplicant not a man to lead. I can see it leading to romance but also breaking hearts. It leaves me feeling WEAK a a man in terms of emotional strength..

All this from 1 hr exposure.. 1 thing for sure its not upbeat.. And its good for people with anxiety.

Final consensus.. I would only use this if I wanted to sleep with a married woman and even then the sex would be no good cause this combo seems to kills any form of lust. Feels more like making love.. Something you wanna do with your wife if you have one!

^^ I get the complete opposite effect from just NA. Glacé must be killing the NA in this mix.

hm..... since the claasic fallout combo of a314 and Androstadienone can't be used on you, you could try using api in place of a314 and Methoxyestratetraenone in place of Androstadienone . i have never tried this combo before but it should produce a similar effect, at least on paper.

(08-17-2013 12:16 PM)whatupbrah Wrote:  ^^ I get the complete opposite effect from just NA. Glacé must be killing the NA in this mix.

EXACTLY.. NA is upbeat! Glace softens it quickly.. I mean I was completely neutered after I applied the glace.. Mind you I added in 4 sprays slow burn. After I felt so bad I went and add some more NA thinking it would bring me out of it but no.. Its 4 hrs later I'm with family and they are bored of me as hell.. I don't blame them..

This mix is kinda a very very tame man's vibe.. Something a married woman whose deparate for emotional love her husband is not giving her would fall for. You become a supplicant, a listener, you can take initiative but you really gotta try.

I must of sounded very monotone today. Not like me.

One thing I did notice is the waitress who was serving me water remembered to refil my cup even without me asking after I had said no.. I had previously had 3 refills (blame the creatine ! ) and then said no more.. But she came back with water again. Memory imprint guys?

All in all I think she was dissapointed I didn't talk to her much but I tell you this mix leaves you without drive or ability to think fast on your feet.

It's hard to muster enough courage to take the leaders role with it. Wonder if its the nols killing me balls?