(02-25-2013 11:16 PM)as33156 Wrote:  Thanks for the info PS,

I think I will stick with my normal source for IGF-1. Seems like a lot of drama with this company and chips is super stupid. Cenegenics works amazing but I just can stand taking all those pills so I stopped lol.

if you guys really want something that works and I mean works no placebo effect involved start looking into GH Peptides, you have to inject them subcutaneously, intramuscular if you want but no benefit. I personally recommend GHRP-2 or Ipamorelin paired with CJC 1295 also injected, it doesn't cost that much if you just use it logically and effectively, this is coming from a college student.

effects I have seen:

muscles just look full, recover faster, hit harder
better longer deeper sleep
cuts healed up faster
my skin....I can't even describe how baby soft and luscious my skin was
no joint problems, history of arthritis in family, bones always popping

effects after 3+ months is .....amazing, addicting....injections will become routine

Totally agree with peptides. Cheap safe and effective. Not to mention there's tons of literature and testing to back up claims. Most supplements have little or no testing and really heavily on bro science.

so as: Did you order the SWAT's edge deer antler ? or did you stick to old and tried formula?

Hi Thoth,


I didn't ordered from them in the end. I just reordered from my normal source but the 200,000 version instead if the 100,000 I use to get.

Thoth,

Just get your IGF-1 from nutronicslabs; that's where SWATs, along with virtually all other major companies are sourcing their deer antler velvet from. They're just re-branding it and slapping a markup on it.

(02-26-2013 5:16 PM)Blacky Chan Wrote:  Totally agree with peptides. Cheap safe and effective. Not to mention there's tons of literature and testing to back up claims. Most supplements have little or no testing and really heavily on bro science.

Completey agree. Peps are a stable here every day. Why use something inferior, questionable and more expensive? I suppose delivery method (injct) has something to do with that.

It's slowly healing up a nagging injury for me + speeds up recovery from everything. For old people and anti-aging is where it really shines though.

If you have a willing partner that does not mind pushing the envelope and does not flinch with needles, add a little PT 141 to your weekend and look out LOL

(03-21-2013 11:16 AM)Sptsmed Wrote:  If you have a willing partner that does not mind pushing the envelope and does not flinch with needles, add a little PT 141 to your weekend and look out LOL

Absolutely, takes a bit of tweaking thoguh, and keep the vials rather fresh. Seems like the longer reconstituted the more side-effects you get. (Nausea, head-aches, blushing..) same with MT2. Gives a definite libido boost.

Just thinking about mixing mones and pt141.


Edit: sorry for derailing the thread.

Fortunately I have only gotten the blushing within the first 30 minutes to an hour and then good to go for about 48 hours. One of my female friends got the nausea the first time or two, but OMG the effects it has had on her

(02-25-2013 11:26 PM)YoungLion Wrote:  if you guys really want something that works and I mean works no placebo effect involved start looking into GH Peptides, you have to inject them subcutaneously, intramuscular if you want but no benefit. I personally recommend GHRP-2 or Ipamorelin paired with CJC 1295 also injected, it doesn't cost that much if you just use it logically and effectively, this is coming from a college student.

effects I have seen:

muscles just look full, recover faster, hit harder
better longer deeper sleep
cuts healed up faster
my skin....I can't even describe how baby soft and luscious my skin was
no joint problems, history of arthritis in family, bones always popping

effects after 3+ months is .....amazing, addicting....injections will become routine

This indeed will work and if you don't have a problem pinning your laboratory rat, this routine over a 6 month time frame can change your body composition significantly.

GHRP 6 and GHRP 2 are very similar in nature, both cause an increase in GH pulsation but GHRP can possibly lead to increase in cortisol and prolaction levels in your blood, although generally in normal range. Both are OK for prolonged use and will not adversely effect receptor site sensitivity over a prolonged period of use. Both cause a release of Ghrelin which is a regulating hormone that tends to act to enhance somatotropin respone and decrease somatostatin response in the body.

Hexarelin is another GHRP peptide that actually increases pulse of GH more dramatically, but also causes an increase in prolactin and cortisol more so than GHRP 6 and 2. Ipamorelin is similar in function as Hexarelin, but does not adversely effect those two levels as much.

Taking any of the GHRP's alone will increase the GH pulse. Taking a GHRP analog such as CJC 1295 also will create an increase in GH pulse, but taken together they act to amplify the pulse and the analog tends to cause an increase in GH levels throughout the day as well.

In essence, use of these research peptides will allow your lab rat to increase naturally occurring GH which can then convert to IGF 1 within your body. These also do not seem to affect your insulin sensitivity or glucose levels as much as lab produced GH can. They are just amino acid chains that are designed to work with your hypothalamus and pituitary to increase normal production of GH and do so several times a day if wanted.

Once a day administration in the evening at least 30 minutes after eating and preferably before bed time will in itself help with anti aging as men tend to have their normal GH pulses during the night and are associated with slow wave sleep. If used for body building or weight loss, or both it is generally going to require 2-3 injections a day, once in the morning prior to eating, once after work out and once before bed, all at least 30 minutes prior to eating as protein and lipid ingestion will alter the pulse of GH.

Peptides are a fast growing component in anti aging clinics and are becoming more accepted within the BB community as alternate sources to gear or used in recovery time.

I used these on my rat a couple of years ago and am about to start a 6 month cycle again first of the month. The normal accepted dosing for GHRP 2 and 6 is 100-200 mcg and generally the increase in pulse is not symmetrical with an increase in dosage, in other words stick within the normal dosing amounts. The analog can be dosed higher and there is a declining increase in GH release as the dose increases. normally these can be done from 100-400 mcgs.

My routine will be:

6:30 AM 100 mcg GHRP 6 and 250 mcg CJC 1295 (no dac)
7:00 PM 100 mcg GHRP 2 and 250 mcg CJC 1295 after work out
10:30 PM 100 mcg GHRP 2 and 250 mcg CJC 1295

I am using GHRP 6 in the morning as it tends to make me super hungry and GHRP 2 in the evenings as it tends to less. Days that I do not work out, I will only inject my lab rat twice, AM and before bed.

There is a good bit of information out there on peptides and they really have found a place in BB as well as anti aging practices and don't seem to carry some of side effects that gear can, or that synthetic HGH can. Don't expect the same results on the anabolic side with peptides as gear, but fat lypolosis is a nice additive to the peptides.