If I could make one contribution to mankind (and I mean Y chromosomes) to last forever, it would be leaving behind instructions to escaping the dreaded friend zone. As far as I know, the only way to transform this type of relationship is to reframe/reinvent. Depending on how long you've known each other, could take a few months to a year. And there may be cases of...never?? *Shudder*

To be honest, there are a few women who I've been friend-zoned or no-zoned by that I would love to tap. There's one on FB that won't even respond to "hey, how are you?" or "how you been?" lol. So, obviously, I'm moving on. I understand that psychologically, non-availability increases attraction. But there are a few that I want to just try again with. Just for fun.

I know that by summer, I'll have some physical changes for the better. Beta behaviors are dying. Its about to go down like the Titanic.

Have you ever escaped the friend zone? What mones did you use? I've heard cops are excellent for this purpose

Hey dude, it's happened to me and to be honest I move on and don't even worry about. No pheromone will make a woman "like you". If for any reason she's not into you, for the most part that won't change. I say move on and bone other chicks.

No answer your question, mones that would do a rewind so to speak in her head are: Xist, Wolf, Nude Alpha + Androstadienone

But keep in mind these will require your best game and multiple exposures.

(04-03-2014 8:59 PM)andromun Wrote:  Hey dude, it's happened to me and to be honest I move on and don't even worry about. No pheromone will make a woman "like you". If for any reason she's not into you, for the most part that won't change. I say move on and bone other chicks.

No answer your question, mones that would do a rewind so to speak in her head are: Xist, Wolf, Nude Alpha + Androstadienone

But keep in mind these will require your best game and multiple exposures.

Oh, I'm definitely future focused but I thought it would be fun to see what people have figured out in this area. I would pretty much be experimenting for the sake of mankind. And, probably, my ego, just being honest

(04-03-2014 8:59 PM)andromun Wrote:  Hey dude, it's happened to me and to be honest I move on and don't even worry about. No pheromone will make a woman "like you". If for any reason she's not into you, for the most part that won't change. I say move on and bone other chicks.

No answer your question, mones that would do a rewind so to speak in her head are: Xist, Wolf, Nude Alpha + Androstadienone

But keep in mind these will require your best game and multiple exposures.

I'm also currently in the same purgatory known as the friendzone. And I agree that if she's not digging you mones wont do much.

On the subject of rewind mones, ironically NA and dienone pushed me further into the friendzone. Way too much comfort.

Best escape from the friend zone. Time, distance and lack of communication. Then a "new" first impression.

I escaped the friend zone one time.

Not with mones.

I was her emotional tampon and stopped talking to her after i got sick of hearing about her bf troubled.

She later found out i was now dating someone and must have felt a sense of loss now that i was unavailable.

The moment she found out my relationship was over she was quick to console me to help me forget. Androstadienone and ih were killer for that but it wasnt the mones that lifted me out of friend zone.

As I suspected, the friend zone is pretty much inescapable and mones do not really make a difference unless her stance has already changed toward you. The moment you 'escape' is likely, is the moment you no longer care enough. Basically, the friend zone is a Greek tragedy.

I am going to hypothesize that a) she has to approach you after the refractory period. Maybe she asks how you've been on Facebook or you bump into each other somewhere. b) you need to be noticeably different, either in actions, physical appearance or both. c) you need to be unavailable in some way.

Basically, there are too many factors and it's too circumstantial. Suppose you find a way to bed a few of her most attractive friends. That would probably cause some kind of shift, especially if you brought the wood and earned a reputation. But by then, you're likely such a different person that you really don't care.

Friendzoning should never happen. If you wanted to be friends, it wouldn't be called the friend zone. If it happens, it's an opportunity to reflect on yourself and address the root causes. It has to be stopped before it starts.

Provided that there is some degree of interest, too much comfort leads to the FZ. There's an equilibrium between the trust/comfort necessary to not scare her and the thrill/risk needed to attract her. If she routinizes you, she won't see you as somebody able to rock her world anymore and she puts you on the friend's shelf.

Routine indeed kills everything, being as unexpected as the Spanish Inquisition may help to prevent her to classify one easily.

I agree. This girl tomorrow...I'm going to have to go aggressive. Basically, I'm going to imagine I've traveled back in time from when I was friendzoned lol. And I have this one opportunity to change the course of things. Plenty of kino, joshing, eye contact, leading and SILENCE. I have a nagging suspicion I talk just a tad too much. I will be eye contacting with pauses/silences.

What's joshing and what do you understand by kino? This PUA jargon sometimes bothers me.

I don't like the meaning of being aggressive. You're not going to fight for the heavyweight championship. This sounds like being over-eager or pushing or just smothering, intimidating her. What about "taking the initiative with confidence"?

I agree with managing pauses with eye contact