Which actually work?

It’s always easier to close if you’re seen with models chasing you or even just hot women.

A man whose chased has social proof built in.

Why game can take care of this the right pheromones bypass the need for this critical element of game.

Which are your favorites?

Remember , if only hb5’s chase you, you’ll be known as the sewer creep.

The key is being in demand by the hottest women.

Buy an escort and go around town for a day

(11-12-2021 5:33 PM)RussianWolf Wrote:  Buy an escort and go around town for a day

That had me laughing hard because there’s some truth to it.

However, I remember wearing L2k in 2014 and 2018 and models in the bar would always go crazy conversing with me, hugging me etc.

The interest wasn’t real but it made girls who had real interest come after me for a fclose the same night as soon as I switched to M3x 2017.

L2k built the social proof M3x closed them!

Sadly , L2k 2021 is a shadow of its past. No longer do I get opened!

Bad Wolf. I still get girls writing me first and asking me what I'm doing tonight who were exposed to it. So I vouch for it for the chasing part.
Possess Alpha can help you secure some social proof in a venue when you just go alone to bars. Just came back from a bar with it, will have a write-up.

I'll check out this M3X someday.

Old L2k, Na oil, evolve, Casanova, CAs/Od , and M3x 2017 have actually had women opening me.

The truth is my game is a lot better for cold approach but it’s manual labour going up to every woman and gaming her.

A much smarter approach is get women competing for you with mones not game and watch the social proof reach celebrity level, then take your pick and close.

(11-12-2021 6:57 PM)dsouza Wrote:  Old L2k, Na oil, evolve, Casanova, CAs/Od , and M3x 2017 have actually had women opening me.

The truth is my game is a lot better for cold approach but it’s manual labour going up to every woman and gaming her.

A much smarter approach is get women competing for you with mones not game and watch the social proof reach celebrity level, then take your pick and close.

Sure, but you don't always have this social proof with you. I have night when I organize a meetup and I'm like the leader of the group, I can go to tables and get people interacting with my people. Or even get friends to do the dirty work and get women. I have nights when I'll use a girl as a pivot to get another girl. But I have also nights when I start from zero.

Are you talking about a long-term strategy of getting with with you before the night and use them to get others or are you referring to the scenario of you just being there and there's two women who just compete over you for you status?

(11-12-2021 7:10 PM)TracerX Wrote:  Sure, but you don't always have this social proof with you. I have night when I organize a meetup and I'm like the leader of the group, I can go to tables and get people interacting with my people. Or even get friends to do the dirty work and get women. I have nights when I'll use a girl as a pivot to get another girl. But I have also nights when I start from zero.

Are you talking about a long-term strategy of getting with with you before the night and use them to get others or are you referring to the scenario of you just being there and there's two women who just compete over you for you status?

I'm talking about going to a busy bar, interacting with 20-30 models many who open YOU, and building a huge jealousy plotline. If you wear a mone designed to open and you close immediately, you could face rejection , then your starting from square one again, this time with LESS social proof as you got rejected, and the other hb9's see this. You're value going down the drain.

Be the guy who gets to know them all , hug them , flirt with them, tease them, and then (this is the key point) when OTHER models INTERJECT flirt with them too. You don't break the conversation or your a sleeze. You wait for other models to interject. Now the girls are competing for your attention, and you escalate with the ones who show the most interest later in your bar visit.

If it's all to be done in one day out you have to be at the bar from like evening to closing.. if it's all to be over many weeks, you need a mone that gets you opened that also has imprinting qualities so you're remembered and don't have to start over each time you visit.

Do you see what I'm getting at here?

I've flirted this way with l2k with many hired models in a bar who opened me , hugged me etc and models who visited the bar all grew interested and wondered who is this guy and wanted me to talk to them too.. They'd come up to my table and linger.. You know if a non hired gun is doing this and she's an hb9 it's not by accident.

Most hb9's are known for shooing away men.

Do you really think Johnny Depp is the type of guy who goes around a bar and talks to every women trying to pick her up for the night, or he sits at the bars and the whole staff mingle with him, girls come up and sit near him etc... He remains calm and later in the night leaves with one of them?

All the mones I listed above work.. I think NA works more in cafes than bars, unless it's at a quiet time when it's not busy. It's a bonus if conversation spews , there's disinhibition, velcro so models stay near you, and men lose their cool so hot models blow them off right away from the first sentence that comes out of their mouth. Did I tell you what my life was like in bars when m3x 2017 was around? Or l2k 2018?

It has NEVER been the same. The closest exception is CAS/OD but I found it worked better with models in hair salons rather than bars.

The key with this strategy is not to get stuck in the FZ as be known as the gay guy all the models love to hug but not fuck.

So dress the part to the 9's, wear sunglasses that are rich, make sure you have the attire of a celebrity etc.

Some people say if mones really work why do you have to rely on money to do all that?

Isn't Depp worth 150M now? He can still pull women anytime getting chased. Doesn't he look and dress to the 10's? So if a hollywood celebrity has to do it, so do you.

(11-12-2021 7:22 PM)dsouza Wrote:  I'm talking about going to a busy bar, interacting with 20-30 models many who open YOU, and building a huge jealousy plotline. If you wear a mone designed to open and you close immediately, you could face rejection , then your starting from square one again, this time with LESS social proof as you got rejected, and the other hb9's see this. You're value going down the drain.

Be the guy who gets to know them all , hug them , flirt with them, tease them, and then (this is the key point) when OTHER models INTERJECT flirt with them too. You don't break the conversation or your a sleeze. You wait for other models to interject. Now the girls are competing for your attention, and you escalate with the ones who show the most interest later in your bar visit.

If it's all to be done in one day out you have to be at the bar from like evening to closing.. if it's all to be over many weeks, you need a mone that gets you opened that also has imprinting qualities so you're remembered and don't have to start over each time you visit.

Do you see what I'm getting at here?

I've flirted this way with l2k with many hired models in a bar who opened me , hugged me etc and models who visited the bar all grew interested and wondered who is this guy and wanted me to talk to them too.. They'd come up to my table and linger.. You know if a non hired gun is doing this and she's an hb9 it's not by accident.

Most hb9's are known for shooing away men.

Do you really think Johnny Depp is the type of guy who goes around a bar and talks to every women trying to pick her up for the night, or he sits at the bars and the whole staff mingle with him, girls come up and sit near him etc... He remains calm and later in the night leaves with one of them?

All the mones I listed above work.. I think NA works more in cafes than bars, unless it's at a quiet time when it's not busy. It's a bonus if conversation spews , there's disinhibition, velcro so models stay near you, and men lose their cool so hot models blow them off right away from the first sentence that comes out of their mouth. Did I tell you what my life was like in bars when m3x 2017 was around? Or l2k 2018?

It has NEVER been the same. The closest exception is CAS/OD but I found it worked better with models in hair salons rather than bars.

The key with this strategy is not to get stuck in the FZ as be known as the gay guy all the models love to hug but not fuck.

So dress the part to the 9's, wear sunglasses that are rich, make sure you have the attire of a celebrity etc.

Some people say if mones really work why do you have to rely on money to do all that?

Isn't Depp worth 150M now? He can still pull women anytime getting chased. Doesn't he look and dress to the 10's? So if a hollywood celebrity has to do it, so do you.

I get what you're saying. Well I'd love to see a mone that does just that as effectively and as effortlessly as you've mentioned. I'd love to see such a report from a mone that's available in 2021 preferably and does the job for you. By nature men do the first approach, women send you signals. But still you do the work.

He's famous, we could argue that movies and fame are a form of imprint on the mind I don't say it's impossible, it definitely is, but a consistent mone that opens for you consistently, and I mean the women actually talk to you first, without you making an effort.. I haven't seen it yet. I'll look into some imprinting mones next month, maybe they will assist in this.

(11-12-2021 7:41 PM)TracerX Wrote:  I get what you're saying. Well I'd love to see a mone that does just that as effectively and as effortlessly as you've mentioned. I'd love to see such a report from a mone that's available in 2021 preferably and does the job for you. By nature men do the first approach, women send you signals. But still you do the work.

You still need game.. In other words to be proactive... But it's not so much that you chase or you are gung ho, it's more like she's chasing and you're escalating HER seduction on you. A woman can chase a man, but if the man is a dud and boring or not the least bit entertaining or capable of creating a connection all her chasing will just get you in the FZ, and then she'll stop chasing.

So yes by nature men lead, but that doesn't mean pheromones can't bring hot women into your cloud.

Today I'm going to try a test.. I'll write it up in my journal.. I'll venture out with CAS, but with a twist...