I'm not very fond of the terms alpha and beta, both give me negative associations but I guess we'll have to use them to sort things out.

Most mone mixes seem to have adverse effects for me nowadays. Not on people I know well but on most I only know a little bit. And that 's people the very same mixes worked very nicely on a few months ago.
Like at my regular bar, the staff have begun to behave differently. Respectful and kind but keeping their distance. Some of them hover around me all the time but avoid eye contact and no longer start conversations.
A waitress I had something going on with has turned pretty cold while a couple of others seem to go quite the opposite way. The cold one copies my body language with a high degree of exaggeration though. I've always given her a little nod when I greet her and she soon started doing the same. Nowadays I sometimes worry she might break her neck with the violent whiplash she can present.
Strangers no longer approach me, which they rather often did during the first 18 months or so of phero use.

This all leads me to believe that either my natural phero output has changed or my body language or both. Seems like people find me interesting and are drawn to me but at the same time...I guess they are intimidated.

I've cut back on the none, using very little if any on nights out and nothing at all in daytime. Still I don't get the same kind of friendliness I used to have from people, good friends aside. Looks like I need more approachability and I guess androsterone ought to be the next thing to go without temporarily.

So for a while I'll need to try nols, WAGG, TL, P74 and that sort of stuff only and see where that leads me. Maybe I'll get pushed around by every guy I meet and friend zoned by all women who formerly may have had an interest in something else but, hey - I'll have the remedy for all that in these small bottles anyway.

It might not just be you that has changed. The effect of mixes depends on the particular vibes of that time and place, which are always changing.

I used to wear several drops of Primal Instinct to work and when going out and rarely got into trouble. These days I am a bit nervous about wearing any none product. Similarly, A314 isn't quite as smooth and helpful as it once was. I don't entirely know why, but I suspect the times are less relaxed. Perhaps also morphic resonance as more people wear mones. This doesn't explain why you noticed a change on a timescale of only a few months of course.

Damn, I have a homebrew I only tried a couple of times and no longer know the ratios of the content. I know it contains A and B Androsterone + Androstadienone . I made it according to instructions in some post but can't find it with the search function.

Thing is that I of course wrote the ratios down in a text document but it was lost when my hard drive crashed. I was able to recover a little data but this is one of the things that were lost for good.

The mix did seem pretty good the few chances it's had to prove itself. I'm using it up, hoping to get somewhere close re-creating it if it turns out to be great after blending for a few weeks now.

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1. Are you wearing any clothes that are not regularly washed and might accumulate -Androstenone? Do you ever put mones, especially -Androstenone, on your hair?

2. Why not try eliminating -Androstenone and substituting -Androstanone. It doesn't kill conversation like -Androsterone and -none do. Chris suggested it a while back and I like it far better. Other than -Androstanone, eliminate the other so-called 'alpha' mones.

3. I don't think that "being beta" is necessarily about being 'friendzoned.' High status betas (not a contradiction in terms) are ideal marriage material for many women. You're just going to be more likely to be viewed as relationship material than one-night-stand material. (Though I assume you were being sarcastic in this regard. I just had to respond.)

4. Maybe you're less depressed and producing less DHEA which would have been buffering your -nones previously? I do think that there are feedback loops with mones, both positive and negative. DHEA seems to kill a lot of the intimidation (and alphaness) of a lot of mixes. I haven't learned to use it well yet, and tend to avoid it. But it does seem to be a component of popular mixes. Consider it in the 5-10 mcg range maybe. More than that feels like taking out all the -Androstenone, -Androstanone, and Androsterone that were put into a mix.

I'd reccomend giving Possess a try, it's not beta, but everyone knows Garry is a big guy and spent nearly ten years making it perfect to do one thing: To make himself more friendly and approachable with the ladies, who of course, were a lot smaller than him. It's not a very expensive pheromone either.

I've been meaning myself to start wearing it and playing around with it, though I am a fairly small guy. But it is on the level of AV, just the knight rather than the bad boy. I asked him about it once.

Also sounds like others here have started wearing it as well lately.

The problem sounds to me like too much androsterone. It can produce exactly the type of intimidation and resentment you describe.

Androstenone can have negative effects, but in my experience they are different than the ones you describe. I'd cut out Androsterone.

Thanks for the advice.

Wiserd: I always wear clean clothes. I do apply mones to my hair sometimes, never none or Androsterone but socials. I usually don't have much hair though, only a few mm, so it should mostly land on skin.
I'll consider gettin androstanone. I was about to make my very first order from Alpha Dream the other day, but apparently single molecules are temporarily off the table. I'll make an order when they're available again.

Curiosity: Thanks for the tip on Possess. I'm not a big guy at all but funny thing is, even before I started using mones people often over estimated my height. I'll try Possess.
Just one thing: I read some post somewhere that the label on the packets from that particular company aren't very discreet. What does it say on them? I'm a bit paranoid about these things.

Dbot: This possibility never occurred to me but it makes perfect sense. After all, I am 40 years old, so fuck knows how much androsterone I'm sporting naturally and then I'm stupid enough to go heavier on that very thing as a first remedy.
Kicking the Androsterone to the curb now and trying other ways. Thank you.

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OMG, now it's my eyes. I thought I had double posts and deleted the whole thing...

I'm not gonna repeat the whole shit again, I'll just say that after having lunch today, I believe the drama in this regular restaurant of mine has something to do with the one waitress I know fell for me. She fell for me bad enough to dump her boyfriend but went back to him before I had a chance to make a move and now I think she has left him again, but I don't know for sure. Her behaviour towards me has been the same all the way, single or not so she's not exactly easy to read.

I was very much drawn to this girl myself and still am, but early on it turned out she is some 17 years younger than I am and now some months later it seems she's a flake at best, full blown backstabbing psycho bitch at worst and I haven't been pursuing her after that last revelation. The ups and downs in the mood of the whole bunch may be due to this little drama unfolding, since they all hang out together a lot. When they're off duty, they're still mostly in the workplace.

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(04-12-2012 10:30 AM)Jolly Jumper Wrote:  and now some months later it seems she's a flake at best, full blown backstabbing psycho bitch at worst and I haven't been pursuing her after that last revelation.

LOL she must be hot!