What are the links between the two? Does a higher amount of hormone production/secretion induce better pheromone effects?

Read this article I posted in the research subforums

Well, it has to do with the article, but I was referring to more things such as testosterone, and all of that. One of my friends can't get mones working for the life of him, tested many of my successful mixes. We're really open with each other and are beginning to suspect that his daily masturbation is causing this.

I apologize to mods if this is inappropriate for this forum, but it is the Men's Area, therefore I think men should be able to talk about our bodies.


Any thoughts?

(06-12-2012 11:15 PM)bored4life Wrote:  Well, it has to do with the article, but I was referring to more things such as testosterone, and all of that. One of my friends can't get mones working for the life of him, tested many of my successful mixes. We're really open with each other and are beginning to suspect that his daily masturbation is causing this.

I apologize to mods if this is inappropriate for this forum, but it is the Men's Area, therefore I think men should be able to talk about our bodies.


Any thoughts?

What does "can't get mones working" look like? If he's masturbating daily his T is already reasonably high.

Is he overdosing, or seeing no results? Is he trying androstenone heavy mixes or socials?

I'm in decent shape and 1mcg of Androstenone is an overdose for some people I encounter.

(06-13-2012 3:35 AM)wiserd Wrote:  What does "can't get mones working" look like? If he's masturbating daily his T is already reasonably high.

Is he overdosing, or seeing no results? Is he trying androstenone heavy mixes or socials?

I'm in decent shape and 1mcg of Androstenone is an overdose for some people I encounter.

It looks like the more manly mixes and alpha and respect mixes are kind of not working for him at all. Masturbating raises T levels right after, but diminishes them shortly after. It's better to wait it out for a week in order to T levels spike and then baseline above the original baseline.. I think mones could work more efficiently at that level.

He's tried Glace and Wolf, no avail, I've given him some of the mixes I've used, and doesn't work. We have very similar body types, so I don't know what it could be other than that. He also frequents the gym with me. That's the only difference I saw between me and him, the frequency of masturbating

You may be on to something; personally I feel more masculine and get more attention (w/o mones) if I haven't masturbated in about 5 days

Ask him to give up masturbating for a bit, that's the only way to find out. If you search the net you'll find many stories on how people felt better / strong / more energy / focused etc. when they gave up masturbating.

How does he feel if he drinks alcohol or drinks caffiene? Is he unusual in not getting a reaction from these drugs?

I ask because I've heard of two people complaining that they got no reaction from mones and they both had this unusual issue. If this is the case with your friend as well, I would suspect that Glace was still working, but it was not as strong because he wasn't feeling self effects and the more alpha mixes were essentially unbuffered for him, so they were ruining his body language and intimidating him, washing out any benefit from the mones.

(06-12-2012 11:15 PM)bored4life Wrote:  Well, it has to do with the article, but I was referring to more things such as testosterone, and all of that. One of my friends can't get mones working for the life of him, tested many of my successful mixes. We're really open with each other and are beginning to suspect that his daily masturbation is causing this.

I apologize to mods if this is inappropriate for this forum, but it is the Men's Area, therefore I think men should be able to talk about our bodies.


Any thoughts?

IMO, Mones or not, spankin it is a quick fix that reduces the desire to hunt. When this need to breed is satiated in this way it kills game, period. Sexual frustration is one of the best motivators. Tell ur friend that masturbation is best left to:

1. destroying morning wood so you can goto work on time
2. avoidance of hooking up with ugly chicks
3. limiting premature ejaculation
4. money shots

If he takes care of business himself frequently there is really no need for him to have a female do it for him. What fun is that?

@kentdave: I told him to do just that, he's going on a new workout routine with me, starting Sunday, and I told him the only action I'm allowing him is if it's from a girl. If not, then I'm not letting him gym with me. With the progress he's made with me, I don't think that'll be an issue anymore.

@wiserd: a shot of patron messes him up, really lightweight for some reason. haven't asked him about caffeine, but he's fairly responsive to our pre-workout supplements, those have a good amount in them as well.

@thundr: Yeah, I told him to quick, especially starting Sunday. I have his word that today was his last day, let's see if he follows through.

It may just be an incongruency issue with the feelings that come from doing it, rather than the actual hormone effects in the body.. but I'll definitely post updates..

I'm in the same boat man. I used to be an everyday-er because of the inconsistent results I'd get, but I've quit and not only has my game gone for the better, I notice girls notice. I dont know if they notice my pheromones, or just my attitude, but theres a huge difference between doing it and not doing it. 7 days is where it gets easier and you start to notice the difference. theres a huge spike and drop, then normalization of testosterone, or the equivalent throughout the first 7 days but after 7 its normal again so dont mess it up, or you'll need at least another week to gauge results correctly.