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(10-10-2013 8:40 AM)Paradox Wrote:  Why so angry Pheroman?

Phermones break down on the skin when exposed to bacteria, light, heat, moisture and air.

How long it takes to break down depends on the molecule(s).

-None is sticky so it takes longer to break down while other molecules break down quicker.

However, if you believe that the mones you are wearing last 12+ hours then good for you.

There are several issues here. One is about the conversion of mones by skin bacteria, yes. But another issue is rate of diffusion. Nols will diffuse more rapidly, meaning after a number of minutes there's less nols left. Androstenone is very potent and also diffuses more slowly. These things would be true, even on an antiseptic surface.

Rate of diffusion correlates very roughly with melting point, though the issue is more complex than that. And fixatives can bind more strongly to some molecules than others.

(10-10-2013 9:22 PM)wiserd Wrote:  There are several issues here. One is about the conversion of mones by skin bacteria, yes. But another issue is rate of diffusion. Nols will diffuse more rapidly, meaning after a number of minutes there's less nols left. Androstenone is very potent and also diffuses more slowly. These things would be true, even on an antiseptic surface.

Rate of diffusion correlates very roughly with melting point, though the issue is more complex than that. And fixatives can bind more strongly to some molecules than others.

Agreed. This is true. It seems that people would rather believe that their pheromone cologne is still working after 8 hours.

Their pheromone cologne is working in a way because the NOLS convert to NONE. I just wish more testers and users realized that for the most part the social molecules diffuse and convert after about 90 mins.

The conversion process can be as little as 30 min depending on individual hygiene and app location. It can also take up to 2 hours to begin the conversion. But either way you slice it at some point nature will win.

Ive solved the conversion issue.

In fact ive actually tinkered with a formula in the past that even makes use of conversion. Wasnt very good bc even with a time delay conversion rate in the end it still ends in a none bomb. This always equates with higher age range targets than im interested in.

(10-11-2013 9:12 AM)thundr Wrote:  Ive solved the conversion issue.

Would be interested to hear about this.


For me the situation has been a bit different than what is described about the early diffusion or conversion of nols.
I read about this thing in 2011 and "solved it" by walking around with a spray containing a social blend. The idea was to add this stuff when needed.

The problem was that in more than 2 years I've used it less than 10 times as it was almost never needed. For me most blends are fine for at least 6 hours, but I have to admit I'm more into Epi-Androsterone and straight Androsterone blends, not so much None heavy stuff. Wolf lasts forever on me and some say AV has no None in it but other molecules that I don't know how they might behave at all.

I might also add that I got excellent results when Odyssey XS finally started working after 2 hours, people laughed themselves silly for 3 more hours after those first 2 hours, contrary to what is claimed in this thread

Would like to see more people chime in with those kind of experiences, I don't think I'm the only one having A-nol continue to be workable hour after hour.
Theory is interesting, real life is for those who live it.

I'm sure I saw HAX claim, in the description of X22 I think it was, that the product has prolonged efficiency due to the fact that some molecules break down into other ones.

Anyway, I definitely had hits after many, many hours with just about any product I've tried. I mostly use oil based stuff but i.e. IMPI red also still works well into the afternoon when applied in the morning.

Never heard of this 90 minute business before and I wouldn't bother using a product with such short life span. Nor do I think many other forum members would.

(10-11-2013 9:12 AM)thundr Wrote:  The conversion process can be as little as 30 min depending on individual hygiene and app location. It can also take up to 2 hours to begin the conversion. But either way you slice it at some point nature will win.

Ive solved the conversion issue.

In fact ive actually tinkered with a formula in the past that even makes use of conversion. Wasnt very good bc even with a time delay conversion rate in the end it still ends in a none bomb. This always equates with higher age range targets than im interested in.

Hey thundr what is your recommendation for reapps on the new core. I will be attending a party tonight and will be generating a lot of body heat from plying percussion and I was thinking of doing a reapp before I go out into the party environment.

(10-12-2013 12:04 PM)alphavitea Wrote:  Hey thundr what is your recommendation for reapps on the new core. I will be attending a party tonight and will be generating a lot of body heat from plying percussion and I was thinking of doing a reapp before I go out into the party environment.

No reapps needed my friend. The formula is solid long past the scent fade. However.. do remove ALL traces of the first core app bc it tends to hang around for a very long time thus messing with the new app. Even well into the next day. Thos is due to the fixing process I use. Mixing old and new apps tends to make the formula inconsistent. You will get a massive hit then get ghosted or avoided by a number of ppl then another wicked hit then more ghosting. Thats a tell tale sign theres still residual core hanging around fucking with the new app.

Increased body heat is ideal and the iso e super will heat up nicely in that environment. I was soaked with rain and sweaty as hell last night and core was still firing on all 8 cylinders and hitting hard all night long.

you may or may not get added sexuality with an Androstenone boost. Im not 100% sure on that one. Just speculation. I cant wear more than 5mcg of none without getting negative reactions frm ppl so I was unable to test those parameters.

By itself core can be steered very easily into sexual territory. You may end up getting better hits without a none booster. You have game so you may be able to drive this juice right into sexual pretty quick by itself. It really does chameleon to your own aura.

Also im still unclear if I like 2 or 3 sprays better. 3 seemed to hit pretty well tho last nite in a indoor/outdoor environment.

(10-10-2013 8:40 AM)Paradox Wrote:  Why so angry Pheroman?
Phermones break down on the skin when exposed to bacteria, light, heat, moisture and air.
How long it takes to break down depends on the molecule(s).
-None is sticky so it takes longer to break down while other molecules break down quicker.
However, if you believe that the mones you are wearing last 12+ hours then good for you.

Not angry but confused by your post.
I can smell Alpha nols. Very distinctive smell, specially when heated.
I can smell many products the next day, or after many hours or when I go to bed.
Of course the break down of the various molecules wont be the same, but I do see the effects next day for a few products.

You even say yourself that vendors are deceiving. Which is why I dont believe what they say.
When they get caught out a few times, then everything they say will be in doubt.

And I also rely on others. The human nose is a powerful tool, I even use friends pets as reference.
I have friends that detect the slightest hint of cops in a mix I'm wearing. I even experimented with real and synthesized cops.
They also behave the same way when exposed to the same molecules. Easily Predictable.

So IMO Alpha nols last more than 90mins. They do stay close to the skin and in a cold environment dont seem very effective. But in my use they have been effective for more than a few hours.
Can this be due to bacterial reaction etc? Dunno.
I do know that i can spray on nols and that after a few hours they seem to be still working if I use enough.

my next day hits with aqua vitae are better than the first day. i'm going to start putting on thursday to get ready for the weekend.