(08-31-2015 1:25 PM)Ekscentra Wrote:  Your opinion that Captain is more serious seems to contradict Snoopy's opinion on that end, but the rest is in line with what I've seen reported. I wonder what might be responsible for the differences you two have noticed in this respect

I was wondering the same as I have read through other reviews of the product and while there is some overarching theme there definitely seems to be some subtle differences.

Some of it may just be my physical attributes. I'm not sure about Snoopy or some of the other member's reviews I have read but I am a 225 pound 32 year old, 6 foot 2 inch darker skinned Caucasian (grandparents were from Italy) with large sideburns. I work out often and while I don't play any sports I still have what would be considered a muscular build.

All that was to say that it isn't uncommon for lots of scents to come off as intimidating on my end if I don't make a conscious effort to tone it down and play friendly with people.

As far as AD goes, though, I feel like they sold 50 bottles of product that they didn't have in order to finance a larger order that they couldn't purchase. I'm not buying the "it shipped without a particular molecule" story that they are giving people now.

At this point I think they just needed a down payment on a larger order and the easiest way to do that was to sell 50 bottles that they didn't have.

(08-31-2015 2:29 PM)Samus Wrote:  I was wondering the same as I have read through other reviews of the product and while there is some overarching theme there definitely seems to be some subtle differences.

Some of it may just be my physical attributes. I'm not sure about Snoopy or some of the other member's reviews I have read but I am a 225 pound 32 year old, 6 foot 2 inch darker skinned Caucasian (grandparents were from Italy) with large sideburns. I work out often and while I don't play any sports I still have what would be considered a muscular build.

All that was to say that it isn't uncommon for lots of scents to come off as intimidating on my end if I don't make a conscious effort to tone it down and play friendly with people.

As far as AD goes, though, I feel like they sold 50 bottles of product that they didn't have in order to finance a larger order that they couldn't purchase. I'm not buying the "it shipped without a particular molecule" story that they are giving people now.

At this point I think they just needed a down payment on a larger order and the easiest way to do that was to sell 50 bottles that they didn't have.

That would seem to conflict with my Androstenone theory, so I think we can throw that out the window, and given that there isn't much of an age difference there, it's doubtful Androsterone is the culprit either.

The Androstadienone hypothesis is still a strong possibility, as Androstadienone can come off as overly-serious without a certain level of steering. Do you think it's strictly intimidation (from Androsterone and Androstenone) that's causing you to come off as more serious, or do you think there could be another factor to this?

The scent could be a possibility. If you're referring to PT's cover scents and not some other scent you use, which one are you using for Captain? And for AT? If Captain ends up being something you can use in the long run, which seems like a good possibility at this point, perhaps you could buy another bottle in the scent you chose for AT. If that eliminates the intimidation factor, then we can be sure the scent is to blame here.

I felt the same way with Androtics. It seems business isn't going as well as they'd planned, and they're once again resorting to shady business tactics in order to get ahead. If what you believe is true, Androtics may collapse much sooner than I had anticipated. With methods like those, I can't see that down payment ever getting financed, and once the community at large figures out (meaning the noobs their business is mostly based on these days), Androtics won't be around for very long.

Funny thing is if Androtics does go out of business , within a a year people will be going on and on about how great they were. Granted a314 is a great product, but I'm sure they'll be people raving about how great ammo was and they had a 100% closer rate with it.

I'm surprised they stayed in business for as long as they have after they hiked their prices up by 200% in some cases a few years ago.

There weren't as many options back then, that I was aware of at least, and that is when I just walked away from the scene entirely. IH and IO went from what, $29 dollars a bottle or so up to $119 and A314 went from $69 to $109.

When they pulled that mess I bought as many bottles of IS as I could and bowed out of the game for years, just relying on my stockpile of products to coast along.

And if I could find a replacement for IS I wouldn't need them at all anymore

Really, the only thing they have going for them is that their formula are still relatively secret enough that no one has been able to make a knock-off of their money makers. Once that happens they wont have a chance in hell.

(08-31-2015 12:07 PM)Ekscentra Wrote:  I've found no alpha side whatsoever to PSE. Do you have the XS129B version or the latest, XS129C? If you have the newer version, this would explain the difference in our experiences.

It's a sample, and it's labeled "PSE-X." The aggressive self-effects and the older lady that dove out of my way and apologized after I walked behind are dead giveaway in this regard.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I think since they are operating with a skeleton crew they royally fucked up quality control. To put it simply, the batch wasn't double or triple checked and had to scrap the whole thing....not to mention the raw material they had to buy. Now they have to go back and order more shit to make A314.

Why would they "make up 50 bottles" and hold a faux sale? That is stupid reasoning, what they did was proceed to production and then fucked it all up. Proves to me they outsource their production because most of their original chemists probably left, moved on or don't give a shit about mones any longer.

As far as them going out of business, they have so many newbies that buy their products they are making hand over fist...believe that! Hence the reason you don't see M Harris (whatever the fuck his real name is) on the board. He's basically living off the money he's making and doesn't really care to be that involved.

Will AD go out of business or become irrelevant? Sure, just not any time soon. However when they do close their doors it will be due to complacency and not giving 2 fucks.

On the contrary you got guys like Garry that works hard and never is complacent. SteveO is another dude that isn't complacent and comes out with new shit. Even Thundr who has a normal 9 - 5, does this as a side project has great products to offer. Chris although banned from here seems to be doing alright with his business as well.

I've always suspected that mone vendors were making insane profit margins. Look at PXS mixes containing hundreds of times the pheromones as other vendors and selling for cheap. Granted, not all pheromones are the same price, and maybe some PXS mixes were engineered for economy. But still, there's no question that it is a lucrative business in terms of profit margin, but maybe not volume.

(08-31-2015 4:07 PM)NP17 Wrote:  It's a sample, and it's labeled "PSE-X." The aggressive self-effects and the older lady that dove out of my way and apologized after I walked behind are dead giveaway in this regard.

Yes, that's a different version from what I have. I suppose it's different from XS129C as well? You'd have to ask Steve.

Many things can have aggressive self-effects without being 'alpha' in the Androsterone sense. That second bit still isn't definitive, far from a dead giveaway from what I can tell. A single test isn't enough to tell you all there is to know about a mix. Give it a few more test runs and see what you can come up with. What you may be seeing is a form of dominance, which can disguise itself as Androsterone-like respect in certain contexts. I've had similar 'hits' to what you're describing from lower doses of Androstanone, from P75, from Primitive and other Androstenone-based mixes, and others. Don't think it's just Androsterone that will appear to give you some form of respect - some mixes used outside of their intended context will "morph" their effects, taking on a different light in a more (or less) inhibited environment, especially when the target is not highly attracted to you at that time (which is not to say unattracted, mind you).

You only tested this mix once, and at work, correct? Test it in a different environment, one where "Porn Star Experience" can really live up to its name. Because of its heavy disinhibition properties, this can be a social context where "dirty talk" will be appropriate. Testing a mix of this nature at work will hardly tell you what the mix is really doing, IMO.

(08-31-2015 3:18 PM)Blacky Chan Wrote:  Funny thing is if Androtics does go out of business , within a a year people will be going on and on about how great they were. Granted a314 is a great product, but I'm sure they'll be people raving about how great ammo was and they had a 100% closer rate with it.

Just like what happens with every discontinued product, the power of the mix will be far overemphasized. Nostalgia at its finest.

While some of those mixes have their proponents, most of those supporters have no experience with mones outside of Androtics, with a few notable exceptions.

(08-31-2015 3:59 PM)Samus Wrote:  And if I could find a replacement for IS I wouldn't need them at all anymore

I thought I'd already mentioned this...

CORE. Buy it, now. That's as close to an IS replacement as you'll get. It's a more rounded mix than IS, more versatile, but if anything, it's even more combo-friendly than IS. It does what you'd expect IS to do and more. As far as I'm concerned, Instant Shine is a pointless mix nowadays.

People will recommend Bliss to you for this purpose, but they're very different mixes. Bliss is steered with Androstenone, so you'll get more of an angry, IDGAF vibe, not the almost bubbly, youthful vibrancy of straight TAA or IS. CORE is what you want.