Yeah sorry but that made absolutely no point.

Did you pay attention to the mg content in the case you just made? No evidently not.

Here's something that actually makes sense:

That liquid attraction product (aka evolve) sells for $71.96 with 38mg mones in 30ml bottles.

Evolve sells for $34.97 with 37.9 mg mones in 10ml bottles.

Liquid attraction contains the same mone content but dilutes with 20ml and puts it in a 30ml bottle. Oh and adds and extra $36.99 for this convenient dilution and bottle size increase. Nifty little trick. I didn't go thru all the products but I would assume the same pattern holds true for the rest.

So basically I've come to the conclusion that either Steve or someone affiliated with him is just using xs as concentrates then diluting them for a higher price. Nothing like paying an extra $36.99 for 20ml of plain alcohol, a 30ml bottle, and a nice AD style magic smoke and mirror trick. How clever..

So all u guys that want to defend these marketing tactics and blah blah yada yada, that's great, feel free to be the first ones to buy and try. Good luck with that let us know how it goes.

Also if all u marketing masters who think this is so ethical try this: Get steves permission for intellectual property, buy 10ml evolve, add 20ml of alcohol, double the price you paid for it and viola! Your very own liquid attraction.. or whatever you decide to name it. Then sell it to some sucker out there who has no clue.

I applaud the entrepreneurial nature of this but 2 thumbs down for business ethics, honesty, and overall morality.

Dohhhh, I knew I forgot to check something. Lesson, never do fact checking first thing in the moring when half a sleep.

(07-04-2013 3:54 AM)thundr Wrote:  Yeah sorry but that made absolutely no point.

Did you pay attention to the mg content in the case you just made? No evidently not.

Here's something that actually makes sense:

That liquid attraction product (aka evolve) sells for $71.96 with 38mg mones in 30ml bottles.

Evolve sells for $34.97 with 37.9 mg mones in 10ml bottles.

Liquid attraction contains the same mone content but dilutes with 20ml and puts it in a 30ml bottle. Oh and adds and extra $36.99 for this convenient dilution and bottle size increase. Nifty little trick. I didn't go thru all the products but I would assume the same pattern holds true for the rest.

So basically I've come to the conclusion that either Steve or someone affiliated with him is just using xs as concentrates then diluting them for a higher price. Nothing like paying an extra $36.99 for 20ml of plain alcohol, a 30ml bottle, and a nice AD style magic smoke and mirror trick. How clever..

So all u guys that want to defend these marketing tactics and blah blah yada yada, that's great, feel free to be the first ones to buy and try. Good luck with that let us know how it goes.

Also if all u marketing masters who think this is so ethical try this: Get steves permission for intellectual property, buy 10ml evolve, add 20ml of alcohol, double the price you paid for it and viola! Your very own liquid attraction.. or whatever you decide to name it. Then sell it to some sucker out there who has no clue.

I applaud the entrepreneurial nature of this but 2 thumbs down for business ethics, honesty, and overall morality.

Well kiddies, I think we learned a few lessons here today.

Number 1: We can buy a bunch of Nissans, paint them all up and sell them as Infinities! That sounds like a great idea!

Number 2: Even if it's not Steve, he knows who it is and what they are doing. Quite an insight into his character.

Number 3: It's kind of sad how Steve puts on this good guy mask for all of us here yet seems to have no ethical problem with people "not in the know" getting ripped off at affiliate sites/companies.

None of us here even knew about this other site and company before, it's a good thing we have pherotruth or we wouldn't have known. Someone like Phertest here in could have been fooled by something like this.

(07-03-2013 2:06 PM)phertest Wrote:  The site does look pretty interesting and not scammy/hyped up since it lists ingredients. The "liquid leader" product seems like fun...

I actually haven't read all of SteveO's ingredient listings, but I didn't do my due diligence and cross check... but yes, I could have easily been suckered into paying extra. I do like some of SteveO's products, but I am neutral on this one.

IMO SteveO redeemed himself from AD when he admitted that their business practises were shady, and agreed with us on the a314 fiasco - that JS is full of shit. As long as we don't start getting the whole rare molecule crap and have formulas altered without us knowing, then I will be a customer. He's one of the few guys that listens to his customers, offers custom mixes, and has some great products at a reasonable price.

The Guy has the right to do whatever, with his product. Just don't lie to me, when you are busted!

End of Story

For me, ethic is the most important thing. I always question myself whether or not paying high shipping cost is worth for me despite the results I got from his product and how the hell Garry manage to ship at lower cost internationally while Steve is not. Well, I guess I found my answer. I guess I'll just stick with LAL

(07-04-2013 3:09 AM)sunny10 Wrote:  Spray
XS=10ml @ $34.99
Love Potion=30ml @ $71.96
XS 2x15ml-30ml @ $92

Oil
XS=10ml=$69
Love Potion =15ml = 99

There is very little price difference, Love Potion's are mainly the larger bottles 30ml and 15 ml, where as XS are the smaller ones.

I don't see an issue with the pricing, except that if you want to go big it's slightly cheaper to buy from Love Potion.

Incorrect. Love Potion is 15 ml for $40. For oil. $45 for 30ml spray. Huge difference

(07-04-2013 8:47 AM)halo0073 Wrote:  Incorrect. Love Potion is 15 ml for $40. For oil. $45 for 30ml spray. Huge difference

Halo, my mistake, I forgot about the automated word thing, i meant l p for liqiudphermones.
NEVER type stuff when just waking up. Be glad I don't run a country, imagine the chaos I could create , imagine making mistakes if I had multiply gf, yikes.

Imagine a scenario where steveo was to shut down pheromonexs, and redirect all people to the new liquid pheromones website. He could say that the pheromonexs products were priced not primarily for profit, but to give a very good deal to all the people who gave his new products a try and aimed primarily at people from pherotruth to get feedback, and the liquid pheromones products are priced less generously to customers but fairer to himself and aimed at a wider population and which may include advertising costs.

I don't understand all this talk about ethics. Steveo is the only person who can say how ethical he is to offer products at pheromonexs prices, or how unethical he is to offer products at liquid pheromones prices. You and I don't understand the rationale behind the pricing of pheromonexs products or liquid pheromones products. Reading this thread gave me a worse headache than watching intolerant people preaching political correctness.

I recall that a few years back, AD (back in the days where mainline staffers regularly contributed to discussion), sought out opinion from posters on their idea of rebranding MX297 and possibly other products as mainstream lines and marketing with different pricing and promotion strategies via affiliate sites, webmags and other high-profile non-enthusiast routes in the same manner as most of the competition - ie as highly hyped, "wonder" products.

I don't recall too many people having any problem with the idea at the time, at least not as long as the more specialist side of things continued as they were.

This site looks very much like an application of the same idea to me and if that is the case, I've no great problem with it.

However, rip-off sites are far from uncommon, so hopefully Steve will enlighten us soon?