(07-04-2013 12:41 PM)veramis Wrote:  Imagine a scenario where steveo was to shut down pheromonexs, and redirect all people to the new liquid pheromones website.

Oh my I guess life as we know it would end. The horror. Guess all the xs fanboys should get on the phone and beg him not to go in that direction.

You mention you got a headache from ppl asking questions about how weird the vendors have been acting lately? Ok what gives me a headache is reading posts like yours that come off as an xs commercial that makes very few legit points. According to you I guess questioning ethics and business practices is off limits here at a place called pherotruth. I'm sure your hero will show up at some point with a well rehearsed speech regarding all us "drama queens" and how silly we are for merely being cautious with our hard earned money. Even if he was involved in an underhanded deal I'm sure he's going to openly admit to it.

He is free to do as he pleases as its his business. Just like we are free to spend our cash where we please. If something seems out of place a discussion such as this takes place so yeah sorry consumers who ask questions give you headaches. Feel free to reply with another commercial.

Your entire post mentions what a great guy Steve is. That may be true but I dont know him so I don't care. Also u mention how hes doing you some huge favor by selling at the prices he does. Discounted prices you say? Wow u pay $25 for a 10ml spray. I'm sure no other company sells a 30ml bottle for $75 that is as effective or more. I can think of many off the top of my head but they don't include a cheerleader squad to promote them or the company.

I'm not interested in discussing the intricacies of the guy's business. That's not my biz. I contributed to this discussion to touch upon how strange vendors/companies have been acting and the current path this hobby is headed.

(07-04-2013 2:49 PM)thundr Wrote:  Oh my I guess life as we know it would end. The horror. Guess all the xs fanboys should get on the phone and beg him not to go in that direction.

You mention you got a headache from ppl asking questions about how weird the vendors have been acting lately? Ok what gives me a headache is reading posts like yours that come off as an xs commercial that makes very few legit points. According to you I guess questioning ethics and business practices is off limits here at a place called pherotruth. I'm sure your hero will show up at some point with a well rehearsed speech regarding all us "drama queens" and how silly we are for merely being cautious with our hard earned money. Even if he was involved in an underhanded deal I'm sure he's going to openly admit to it.

He is free to do as he pleases as its his business. Just like we are free to spend our cash where we please. If something seems out of place a discussion such as this takes place so yeah sorry consumers who ask questions give you headaches. Feel free to reply with another commercial.

Your entire post mentions what a great guy Steve is. That may be true but I dont know him so I don't care. Also u mention how hes doing you some huge favor by selling at the prices he does. Discounted prices you say? Wow u pay $25 for a 10ml spray. I'm sure no other company sells a 30ml bottle for $75 that is as effective or more. I can think of many off the top of my head but they don't include a cheerleader squad to promote them or the company.

I'm not interested in discussing the intricacies of the guy's business. That's not my biz. I contributed to this discussion to touch upon how strange vendors/companies have been acting and the current path this hobby is headed.

Imagine if one of those customers finds PT and figures out they have been scammed. I would be very fucking pissed if I found out any brand I was using was available for half price under another name. And yes I buy generics. Since there are amazing search engines these days this is bound to happen. Shameful. I'm only surprised that some people don't get that. SMH

My phone is acting up, buy in response to Thundr's post

I agree whole heartedly. And honestly, I'm done with Steve and XS now. I simply refuse to trust a company doing this type of thing. And Thundr is right, the vendors are acting fucked up. Read these forums and see for yourself. It is the main reason I it took me so long to try something else besides LAL mones. Now I feel like getting away from blends all together and start making my own formula with individual molecules, which most of us wish we had the expertise to do. But paranoia can stike very deep. I dont care if SteveO gets on this thread for damge control, this is how you lose customers. And he certainly lost me unless this all turns out to be a misunderstang... yeah right

Oh I can't wait for the damage control. Truly. I am going to get popcorn and pull up a seat. Spinmaster must be working up a good response since it's taking so long. How disgusted would you be if Garry or Mara or Chris or Brad was doing this shit? Oh but wait, they are not.

(07-04-2013 4:16 PM)halo0073 Wrote:  Oh I can't wait for the damage control. Truly. I am going to get popcorn and pull up a seat. Spinmaster must be working up a good response since it's taking so long. How disgusted would you be if Garry or Mara or Chris or Brad was doing this shit? Oh but wait, they are not.

Probably same old shit from Androtics. Why am I not surprised.. And no, Garry will never do that. His track record is clean so far. In fact, I respect his nature of business. His lack of participation in this forum proves that he knows customer will return for more without all these hypes. He even got a contract to supply his products somewhere. He runs business that gain people's trust. Not some shady business like this..

(07-04-2013 3:54 PM)halo0073 Wrote:  Imagine if one of those customers finds PT and figures out they have been scammed. I would be very fucking pissed if I found out any brand I was using was available for half price under another name. And yes I buy generics. Since there are amazing search engines these days this is bound to happen. Shameful. I'm only surprised that some people don't get that. SMH

/agree

I'd be pissed if I first bought from his one site, then years later found about another. Those tactics lose customers in time, as do major price hikes. The problem with the former is they raise a stink and can REALLY hurt your business.

Had Pherone not raised their price of M-11 by 300-400% over the years then I'd still happily be buying from them again and again and again and likely never would have gotten into Androtics. Had Androtics priced Instant Honesty and Instant Openness reasonably I'd likely not have bothered with getting into Pherotruth and slowly replacing much of their line.

(I'm likely always going to use Ammo, Instant Shine and Instant Gentleman as they work well and are priced decently, but you never know when a new sample bottle might have something better inside... Turn Up The Heat, Instant Honesty and Instant Openness are to be replaced, Turn Up The Heat because there are simply better products out there, and Instant Honesty and Instant Openness because simply not enough bang for the buck).

If I were Steve I'd tread carefully as moves like that can really hurt things and it sounds like he's lost a few customers already and this thread will surely spawn many a reverberating thread that will keep many a new user from trying his stuff.

That said, Bliss and Odyssey are solid products and he has a repeat customer here as long as the prices don't get too crazy. Likely also to buy Cohesion as my Androstadienone will be gone in 6-9 months or so and it sounds like his formulation is the best bang for the buck and superior to straight Androstadienone from pretty much all the reviews I've read. This thread though will likely keep me from trying new things from him unless he does some pretty sweet damage control.

There are lots of great products out there, and at times picking one or the other is like splitting hairs and how you run your business will be the deciding factor.

thundr Wrote:Oh my I guess life as we know it would end. The horror. Guess all the xs fanboys should get on the phone and beg him not to go in that direction.

Do you know steveo's profit margin for pheromonexs products? If not, your only measure of the ethics of liquid pheromones is the prices of products of two brands owned by the same person when you don't actually know the economics of either.

thundr Wrote:You mention you got a headache from ppl asking questions about how weird the vendors have been acting lately?

Did I mention that specific point or are you putting words in my mouth? I get a headache from all the assumptions that people in this thread are making, and you are the worst offender by far with your relentless attempts at slander.

thundr Wrote:Ok what gives me a headache is reading posts like yours that come off as an xs commercial that makes very few legit points. According to you I guess questioning ethics and business practices is off limits here at a place called pherotruth.

Again, you don't understand the rationale behind the pricing of pheromonexs products, and you don't understand the rationale behind the pricing of liquid pheromones products other than that it is relatively more expensive than pheromonexs.

If I opened a company, let's call it Jojo's seafood pub, and I charge $4 a meal because I really want to get new customers and feedback. Then later I open another restaurant called Dan's seafood pub, and charge $8 a meal, are you going to automatically call me unethical? Do you pretend to know the economics of how I run restaurants, my profit margins, and think you know when a certain profit margin is ethical or not? Laughable.

thundr Wrote:I'm sure your hero will show up at some point with a well rehearsed speech regarding all us "drama queens" and how silly we are for merely being cautious with our hard earned money. Even if he was involved in an underhanded deal I'm sure he's going to openly admit to it.

You're paranoid.

thundr Wrote:He is free to do as he pleases as its his business. Just like we are free to spend our cash where we please. If something seems out of place a discussion such as this takes place so yeah sorry consumers who ask questions give you headaches. Feel free to reply with another commercial.

You are not a consumer asking questions, you are someone out on a mission to diss steve as much as possible as far as I can tell.

thundr Wrote:Your entire post mentions what a great guy Steve is. That may be true but I dont know him so I don't care. Also u mention how hes doing you some huge favor by selling at the prices he does. Discounted prices you say? Wow u pay $25 for a 10ml spray. I'm sure no other company sells a 30ml bottle for $75 that is as effective or more. I can think of many off the top of my head but they don't include a cheerleader squad to promote them or the company.

When did I say steve is a great guy? When did I say he is doing me a huge favor by selling at the price he does? In that post, I was saying to imagine such a scenario, not that such a scenario is in fact reality. The fact us, I don't know, and you don't know the rationale nor the economics of the decisions steve has made, and I said this in my prior post. Try to get it through your head that I am not getting a headache from whatever reason you are imagining, but because it's quite clear to me that the people crying "unethical" are the ones exhibiting the most unethical behavior I see.

Yawn.

That's it? Yet another xs commercial? Gah, ok noob here we go.

Slander? Dissing? Man it sounds a bit like you're a tad gay for Steve. Should pherotruth take up a collection and get you two a room? Maybe a bit of cohesion and p83 and close the door?

Ok joking aside since you have been here have you reviewed anything other than XS? Do you even own anything else? Be honest. I'll take a guess and say other than a handful of AD garbage the answer is no. How's that little xs box you think in? Comfy? Sadly I expect this from a fanboy and this is called brand championing noob. Baaaaaah. Join the herd.

Let me know if I'm giving you a headache yet. Profit margins. Rationale of pricing. Nope don't care. Not my company and none of my business. What I see is a website that has never been mentioned at all selling diluted xs product under a different name and higher prices with ties to steves company. What I see is even if Steve isn't doing it himself he knows who is and obviously ok with it enough to have it linked back to his company.

Tell u what man if I bought liquid attraction for 70 bucks then found out later its just diluted evolve I could have bought for half the price I'd be pissed. This is ethical for someone who doesn't know any better? You are fine with a pheromone newcomer getting a hood pulled over their head? Among your fanboy induced flurry of financial blah blah you seem to have overlooked the core topic of this thread. And you call this slander for being cautious not only for ourselves but for others? Yep then I'm a slanderous bastard. Maybe you haven't noticed but some of us have been a bit concerned with vendor tactics lately and not just XS. lacroy changed np.a yet says its the same. Changed edge too. Love Scent sells impi original as red dot then suddenly brings back red dot. This is after TP jacked up their prices. So yeah sorry if a few or many of us are a bit on the cautious side as of late.

I have no interest in slandering anyone and that's not my objective. I go off what I see. As far as your restaurant analogy contact true pheromones and ask them how that shit worked out for them. Read much about TP product anymore here? Dans pub or whatever would lose sales bc the customers you generated with that price hook would decline. Why bc you just lost your selling point. Unless you serve one wicked menu that keeps them interested. Then again with all the XS fanboy brand championing lately maybe steve thinks his menu is worth it.

So I'm pretty much done with you noob as you pop into a thread where we are just being cautious of scamming (assumptions or not). Aren't u just making assumptions with all that financial mumbo jumbo you just kicked out? Oh then you start tossing around words like slander and dissing. Honestly I haven't seen any of that in this thread.

No real interest in further conversing with you and your one company mindset bc frankly your championing is giving me a headache now too. Personally I'd like to stick to the discussion than deal with some shill who got butthurt over something said about his favorite company.

Veramis your statments don't make sense

By your logic it is okay for one Mcdonalds to be more expensive than another close by Mcdonalds because the owner felt like it. Huh? how is that okay, they have the same menu and the same ingredients.

Here you implied that SteveO is doing us a favor. It also sounds like NLP framing especially since your started out with "Imagine"

(07-04-2013 12:41 PM)veramis Wrote:  Imagine a scenario where steveo was to shut down pheromonexs, and redirect all people to the new liquid pheromones website. He could say that the pheromonexs products were priced not primarily for profit, but to give a very good deal to all the people who gave his new products a try and aimed primarily at people from pherotruth to get feedback, and the liquid pheromones products are priced less generously to customers but fairer to himself and aimed at a wider population and which may include advertising costs.

This doesn't make sense either because if you want to have a product at a lower price so other people try it its called a sale. PheromoneXS has the most sales out of all of the vendors so i'm certain that they understand the concept. They have also had no increase of overhead, materials or increase in employees because SteveO normally mentions that stuff his newsletters

SteveO and Pheromone XS is a 1-3 person team max. When SteveO goes on a vacation shipping is postponed. He tried to hire someone but it didn't work out and he has contracts for the website maintenance. The chance of SteveO not knowing about this is rediculously low.