(12-11-2011 10:56 PM)Alpha Dream Wrote:  That's not true dbot.. A lot of your suggestions are very good. The instantaneous gentleman is in the works as soon as I manage to purify the 7-keto from the cellulose and other filler.. Also 5,16-dienol is on the way.

Sorry if it seemed like I wasn't hearing you. I know you exhausted yourself with the last blind test, and everyone really appreciates all the work you put in. It has to be a group effort though, no one person here should bear the responsibility of the other participants. I completely understand if u don't want to take part in this one, however we will miss your stellar clarity of thought, writing abilities, and orginization.

Quote:20 to 25mcg as a starting dosage was a bit high last time

I would have to agree on this pago.. good point.. I will make the new testers in a solution of Alcohol and DPG, and make them all for 10? mcg / drop.

I'm going to tie up the loose ends on the last blind molecule test.. Thanks dbot for reminding me..

Thanks a lot Chris !!

10mcg sounds good

And thanks as well to Dbot for the great work ... most guys reading and profiting from the findings can´t imagine how much work it is to make such a project an success

btw ... i´ve checked the new substances and there are a few amonst that sound intriguing ..

Pago

Is the fee still the same for only 3-4 molecules?

(12-12-2011 4:09 PM)halo0073 Wrote:  Is the fee still the same for only 3-4 molecules?

I'm thinking $2 per molecule would be reasonable from each participant, plus shipping ($3 in US, $10 international)... I hope this is possible. The compounds themselves (16 compounds total (and growing) minus eliminations from the start) will be about $550 plus the cost of shipping, so I'm asking everyone to shoulder half of the cost of the molecules and part of the shipping.

If there is a backlash against this idea, seeing how I stand to profit from selling the discoveries, then I can eliminate the fee; however it would really help.

I was also thinking (just a thought) of paying a member $10 in cash, or $20 in credit for pheromones, for every molecule summary report (final summarization). Someone with good writing skills and organization that has time to help out on this, or maybe a few members?

Ultimately, this is all up to Mark - It's his house and we're guests in it.

Chris @ Alpha

Dbot, why you don't want to be a blind tester? I would miss you...

Actually as of right now it's up to Beccah and I. she has EVERY bit as much say and authority over the forum as I.

I may be the one that started it and ultimatly responsible for whatever happens on it, but I want it to be a team effort in running it and making decisions.

While it may be true that to many cooks spoil the stew, if there's only one cook their taste may differ from the many, but in having several it can help to insure more uniform acceptance and appreciation among the many.

(12-11-2011 4:50 AM)Alpha Dream Wrote:  
Ah, good point dbot..

Molecule E: 5-pregnen-3b-ol-20-one [K]+ sulfate
Molecule F: DHEAS

First round was sort of a trial run. The new project will be a lot more exhaustive in scale: trying new groups of potential pheromone compounds.

For the record, here are the names of the compounds in advance. It may be more interesting know the list of possibilities, and try to guess which one it is

(5α)-ANDROSTEN-3-(CH3)
16, (5α)-ANDROSTENE
5α-ANDROSTANE

5-ANDROSTEN-3β, 19-DIOL-17-ONE (19-HYDROXY-DHEA)
5-ANDROSTEN-3β-OL (17-DESOXY DHEA)
5-ANDROSTEN-3β-OL-17β-CARBOXYLIC ACID(17B-CARBOXYLATE DHEA)


5-ANDROSTEN-3β-OL-17-ONE ETHYLENEKETAL
5α-ANDROSTAN-17β-OL-3-ONE DIMETHYL KETAL
5α-ANDROSTAN-3, 17-DIONE 3-DIMETHYL KETAL

5, 16-ANDROSTADIEN-16,17-EPOXY-3β-OL

16, (5α)-PREGNEN-3β-OL-20-ONE
20, (5β)-PREGNEN-3α-OL

5α-PREGNAN-3β-OL

4-PREGNEN-3-ONE-20β-CARBOXALDEHYDE

1, 3, 5(10)-ESTRATRIEN-3-OL (ESTRATRIENOL)
1, 3, 5(10)-ESTRATRIEN-16,17-EPOXY-3-OL (EPOXYESTRATRIENOL)

Some of these may be disqualified before the test, and others may be added.

Goodnight Guys… It’s bedtime for bonzo …

Chris @ Alpha

I lit up like a x-mas tree when i read the list!

Interested in Pregnanol & Pregnenol.

As an organized test, i'm in.

(12-12-2011 4:35 PM)Alpha Dream Wrote:  I'm thinking $2 per molecule would be reasonable from each participant, plus shipping ($3 in US, $10 international)... I hope this is possible. The compounds themselves (16 compounds total (and growing) minus eliminations from the start) will be about $550 plus the cost of shipping, so I'm asking everyone to shoulder half of the cost of the molecules and part of the shipping.

If there is a backlash against this idea, seeing how I stand to profit from selling the discoveries, then I can eliminate the fee; however it would really help.

I was also thinking (just a thought) of paying a member $10 in cash, or $20 in credit for pheromones, for every molecule summary report (final summarization). Someone with good writing skills and organization that has time to help out on this, or maybe a few members?

Ultimately, this is all up to Mark - It's his house and we're guests in it.

Chris @ Alpha

I think that is a very good system and a very generous reward system. My name is still in the hat if you want a female tester.

I am in, and definitely will contribute to the cost of the molecules!

I found out last time I'm not cut out for blind testing. I get no self-effects and I have trouble seeing hits.

If you need help compiling the reports I can lend a hand with that part.

Maybe there should also be a general questionaire/interview so that all partecipants answer the same questions.