Friends,

Its a given that increases testosterone manifests itself in higher none levels. But does increased none usage cause an increase in sexual desire?

I would find it rather confusing for the body to absorb none products which attract women for sex, yet leave a man without desire to take action on this.

For example if you have high test, spray on some none, you will attract more women especially those ovulating or comfortable with you for sex and you can capitalize on the none spray.


But if you apply none when your not horny ( say a man over 35 y.o) and it attracts women but the none doesn't put you in the mood this would be rather confusing wouldn't it?

Yet a man 80 years old can spray none all over him attract younger women and look more sexually appealing but still can't get aroused.. What do you make of this?

Too little none used in such a case? Or no similarity between none and sex drive? I say drive not erection as the two are mutually exclusive.

(06-12-2013 1:02 PM)dsouza Wrote:  Friends,

Its a given that increases testosterone manifests itself in higher none levels. But does increased none usage cause an increase in sexual desire?

I would find it rather confusing for the body to absorb none products which attract women for sex, yet leave a man without desire to take action on this.

For example if you have high test, spray on some none, you will attract more women especially those ovulating or comfortable with you for sex and you can capitalize on the none spray.


But if you apply none when your not horny ( say a man over 35 y.o) and it attracts women but the none doesn't put you in the mood this would be rather confusing wouldn't it?

Yet a man 80 years old can spray none all over him attract younger women and look more sexually appealing but still can't get aroused.. What do you make of this?

Too little none used in such a case? Or no similarity between none and sex drive? I say drive not erection as the two are mutually exclusive.

This is interesting. Theoretically, a person producing less test should also produce less none. But its not always the case that a low test producer will benefit from increased none, and may in fact slip into OD world rather quickly from none based products.

There's another variable concerning natural none deposits on the skin in addition to higher test levels.

The body doesn't actually make the bulk of natural none. Testosterone breakdown produces test metabolites that are excreted onto the skin VIA sweat glands. Conversion of these metabolites by corny bacteria on the skin surface leaves none as a byproduct of metabolism.

Yes none is pretty much bacteria shit. If a man with low levels of bacterial colonies and high test could in fact produce less none than a man with low levels of test and higher bacterial colonies. However this would even out in only a matter of hours as the bacteria would grow exponentially due to the abundant food source.

Concerning none and sex drive. The body doesnt seem to recognize an application of none as "self", rather it perceives it as an outside source. So if test levels were low to limit sex drive then a moderate to high external none source could limit desire to mate as well as the body rejects the urge for sex in a passive stance to let another male have the mate.

(06-12-2013 6:16 PM)thundr Wrote:  There's another variable concerning natural none deposits on the skin in addition to higher test levels.

The body doesn't actually make the bulk of natural none. Testosterone breakdown produces test metabolites that are excreted onto the skin VIA sweat glands. Conversion of these metabolites by corny bacteria on the skin surface leaves none as a byproduct of metabolism.

Yes none is pretty much bacteria shit. If a man with low levels of bacterial colonies and high test could in fact produce less none than a man with low levels of test and higher bacterial colonies. However this would even out in only a matter of hours as the bacteria would grow exponentially due to the abundant food source.

Concerning none and sex drive. The body doesnt seem to recognize an application of none as "self", rather it perceives it as an outside source. So if test levels were low to limit sex drive then a moderate to high external none source could limit desire to mate as well as the body rejects the urge for sex in a passive stance to let another male have the mate.

Yes, makes sense to me. I was thinking about skin conditions and so forth but don't know much about this stuff. It is fascinating, how complex the body is.

BTW: I'm a sweaty bastard, and have low test. I think I tend to OD super-quick from none based products. I have noticed though, in cold weather, I can get away with wearing more none based stuff or just higher doses of mones in general- less sweat, less diffusion etc..

Honestly, the only stuff that has worked for me, as far as attraction/hits etc.. is AV and NA. I started out using 2 drops of AV initially and did well but started to OD after a month of usage. I then went down to 1 drop which seemed ok for a while though I eventually again went into OD world. So now I prob use about 1/4th drop, if that, and it seems to work. I only use the stuff once a week if that.

NA I am working on, its pretty solid stuff. I can prob get away with a really low dose.

Honestly, Gary's shit is so miles ahead of everybody else, for me at least.

I get "weird" reactions from certain mones, for instance, when I wear Glace FB people tend to clam up around me. If I wear L2kv1, guys get really friendly, which is fine but thats not what I am after. I did the New Pheromone Additive build-up routine (using the older New Pheromone Additive) and it did nothing for me, no stink either. SOBxs made me depressed out of my mind.

Wolf makes everybody friendly around me, especially women, they just wont shut up. I would not classify this as an odd reaction though, based on what I have read- just spouting out stream of consciousness stuff.

The end.

(06-12-2013 6:50 PM)SS108 Wrote:  Yes, makes sense to me. I was thinking about skin conditions and so forth but don't know much about this stuff. It is fascinating, how complex the body is.

BTW: I'm a sweaty bastard, and have low test. I think I tend to OD super-quick from none based products. I have noticed though, in cold weather, I can get away with wearing more none based stuff or just higher doses of mones in general- less sweat, less diffusion etc..

Honestly, the only stuff that has worked for me, as far as attraction/hits etc.. is AV and NA. I started out using 2 drops of AV initially and did well but started to OD after a month of usage. I then went down to 1 drop which seemed ok for a while though I eventually again went into OD world. So now I prob use about 1/4th drop, if that, and it seems to work. I only use the stuff once a week if that.

NA I am working on, its pretty solid stuff. I can prob get away with a really low dose.

Honestly, Gary's shit is so miles ahead of everybody else, for me at least.

I get "weird" reactions from certain mones, for instance, when I wear Glace FB people tend to clam up around me. If I wear L2kv1, guys get really friendly, which is fine but thats not what I am after. I did the New Pheromone Additive build-up routine (using the older New Pheromone Additive) and it did nothing for me, no stink either. SOBxs made me depressed out of my mind.

Wolf makes everybody friendly around me, especially women, they just wont shut up. I would not classify this as an odd reaction though, based on what I have read- just spouting out stream of consciousness stuff.

The end.

Shit, I meant to say that I need to use
much smaller doses of mones when the
weather is cold- less sweating, less diffusion etc..


Got this Monolaurin cream, gonna try
to apply on skin first and then put mones
on top. I think the Monolaurin cream
should have some antibacterial property.

(06-12-2013 6:16 PM)thundr Wrote:  There's another variable concerning natural none deposits on the skin in addition to higher test levels.

The body doesn't actually make the bulk of natural none. Testosterone breakdown produces test metabolites that are excreted onto the skin VIA sweat glands. Conversion of these metabolites by corny bacteria on the skin surface leaves none as a byproduct of metabolism.

Yes none is pretty much bacteria shit. If a man with low levels of bacterial colonies and high test could in fact produce less none than a man with low levels of test and higher bacterial colonies. However this would even out in only a matter of hours as the bacteria would grow exponentially due to the abundant food source.

Concerning none and sex drive. The body doesnt seem to recognize an application of none as "self", rather it perceives it as an outside source. So if test levels were low to limit sex drive then a moderate to high external none source could limit desire to mate as well as the body rejects the urge for sex in a passive stance to let another male have the mate.

i think people who bathe in soaps and lotions make of triclosan and other powerful anibacterial agents will have very less amounts of none.

(06-12-2013 10:29 PM)aliphaiz Wrote:  i think people who bathe in soaps and lotions make of triclosan and other powerful anibacterial agents will have very less amounts of none.

hmm i think that would affect me by a large margin.
My neck is where i commonly put mones around but sadly a byproduct of that is getting rashes/Eczema in that area.

My doctor prescribed me with a lotion to treat it. It isn't a cure.. it will come back at times.. Although before application I have to clean it.

So I always wake up doing my morning showers and coming home to shower again from school/work as I'm exposed to alot of gases, chemicals and all sorts of oils and lubricants. In addition to that.. I'm asian too lol.

So none for me would be in a very low margin.

This is a great article on boosting testosterone. Probably the most advanced I have seen floating around on the internet. Before jumping to HRT, or more specifically TRT, people should get their blood-work done to see if they have a vitamin D deficiency (although recent research indicates that tests for D levels often misstate results) as well as check estradiol and cortisol levels. of course any doc is going to make you check these and other parameters before prescribing test or they should at least.

Cycling with low dose Clomid and/or Nolvadex has also gained popularity but does have drawbacks. If you can modulate your test by lifting heavy then great, trouble is that this generally speaking may only work for not so severe cases.

http://www.allthingsmale.com/forum/conte...e9d9b1233c

Actually, there is another key variable (others too I am sure), and that is meds. Certain (non-hormonal) meds can allegedly alter mone production, mone interactions etc..

(06-17-2013 2:52 PM)SS108 Wrote:  Actually, there is another key variable (others too I am sure), and that is meds. Certain (non-hormonal) meds can allegedly alter mone production, mone interactions etc..

Very interesting...any articles on this?
I tend to think we should all keep in mind that none is a male hormone, so any given effects of none (on a straight male) should be less drastic than smelling female pheromones, like copulins for instance (I guess cops isn't really a pheromone but it has pheromonal properties, you get what i'm saying.) But that doesn't mean None has no effect on men; on the contrary, we already know it does. Increased aggression from smelling someone else's androstenone=increased testosterone. Getting angry and ready to fight automatically increases testosterone, but this would help the guys around you more than you...

It would seem logical that if testosterone levels are to be affected by an application of None, a dose that says, "this heavy androstenone signature is coming from someone else" might have more of an effect on the production of testosterone than a dose that says, "this level of androstenone is coming from me." My hypothesis suggests that the body has some gague on the level of pheromones it is producing. That would explain how animals are able to identify pheromonal signatures apart from their own.

I have no idea how true this is, but it seems logical. If it is so, the best thing you can do for your testosterone levels while using pheromones would be to wear the same thing for a long time, so if a scent-recognition mechanism does exist, you will have "tricked" your body into thinking the new phero signature is your own. Remaining congruent should lead to more sex. Combine congruency and the resulting(hopefully steady) sex with compound heavy weaight lifting, wind sprints, quality sleep and a clean diet free of drugs and alcohol, and your testosterone will likely go through the roof.

Do I sound like I'm rambling BS or does this sound like a logical thesis? Imput from the veterans please! I'm sure many people are specualting about this type of thing.