I've been experimenting with P83 (along with 1 spray of Bliss/Cohesion/Evolve each), trying to get my sweet spot.

So far it has always been "the more, the better", even with 200mcg - no ghosting at all.

Has anyone tried larger doses, like 500mcg and above?

Using PheromoneXS XSP83 btw.

I have not, but it sounds interesting.

The stories varies: some say 10-30 mcgs is perfect. Now you're saying 200 mcgs works for you.

I wonder if they're actually one in the same (XSP83 and P83). ????

(08-22-2015 8:08 AM)MMM Wrote:  I have not, but it sounds interesting.

The stories varies: some say 10-30 mcgs is perfect. Now you're saying 200 mcgs works for you.

I wonder if they're actually one in the same (XSP83 and P83). ????

Don't have P83 here, so can't compare.

I also get great hits with 30mcgs XSP83 solo. Seems to be something in there.

I've just put on ~400mcgs solo, time to go out and see some women.

(08-22-2015 7:30 AM)siddie Wrote:  I've been experimenting with P83 (along with 1 spray of Bliss/Cohesion/Evolve each), trying to get my sweet spot.

So far it has always been "the more, the better", even with 200mcg - no ghosting at all.

Has anyone tried larger doses, like 500mcg and above?

Using PheromoneXS XSP83 btw.

Ghosting isn't the reason massive doses of P83 are a bad idea. Rather, it's the fact that high doses of P83 can cause a target to become so enamored with you that they have no desire (or ability) to act on those feelings. It can get you some of the craziest hits you've ever experienced, but it's highly unlikely to get you results.

But then, I wonder what might happen if you added 10-12 drops AV here? AV encourages action more than any other mix I know of. Straight P93 and/or CORE could be especially helpful components as well. I'm not sure harnessing the power of megadoses of P83 would be worthwhile, but for the sake of testing, it's more than worth a shot.

(08-22-2015 11:45 AM)Ekscentra Wrote:  Ghosting isn't the reason massive doses of P83 are a bad idea. Rather, it's the fact that high doses of P83 can cause a target to become so enamored with you that they have no desire (or ability) to act on those feelings. It can get you some of the craziest hits you've ever experienced, but it's highly unlikely to get you results.

But then, I wonder what might happen if you added 10-12 drops AV here? AV encourages action more than any other mix I know of. Straight P93 and/or CORE could be especially helpful components as well. I'm not sure harnessing the power of megadoses of P83 would be worthwhile, but for the sake of testing, it's more than worth a shot.

That's interesting. I just came back from my 400mcg experiment, it was weird!
Strong self effects, I was very emotional, memories of past girlfriends came up, also more stuck in my head than usual.
However I didn't get many hits. Some heads turning, some flirting at the crowded mall, but not as much as I expected. Didn't escalate either. I kept saying to myself "not in the mood". I usually just go for it

Can AV for the experiment be replaced by something else? I have some Alpha mixes here (A314, Domination Oil), Core, Titan, Bad Wolf, some PheromoneXS products. Curious to try it!

(08-22-2015 3:48 PM)siddie Wrote:  That's interesting. I just came back from my 400mcg experiment, it was weird!
Strong self effects, I was very emotional, memories of past girlfriends came up, also more stuck in my head than usual.
However I didn't get many hits. Some heads turning, some flirting at the crowded mall, but not as much as I expected. Didn't escalate either. I kept saying to myself "not in the mood". I usually just go for it

Can AV for the experiment be replaced by something else? I have some Alpha mixes here (A314, Domination Oil), Core, Titan, Bad Wolf, some PheromoneXS products. Curious to try it!

That's pretty much in line with what I've mentioned. Would you say you might already have been inclined to those feelings?

AV is ideal, but you should get results just as good if not better (but different) with BW, since they're both seemingly Androstatrione-containing mixes. CORE would be helpful as well. As always, test solo first. Get a good grasp on BW and CORE if you haven't already, then test them individually with P83. FWIW, I doubt CORE alone will be enough to overcome the inaction of P83, but BW very well might be.

(08-24-2015 5:03 PM)Ekscentra Wrote:  That's pretty much in line with what I've mentioned. Would you say you might already have been inclined to those feelings?

Didn't have those feelings in years. I read your comment only after I came back, so didn't know what to expect. Pretty sure it was the P83.

(08-24-2015 5:03 PM)Ekscentra Wrote:  AV is ideal, but you should get results just as good if not better (but different) with BW, since they're both seemingly Androstatrione-containing mixes. CORE would be helpful as well. As always, test solo first. Get a good grasp on BW and CORE if you haven't already, then test them individually with P83. FWIW, I doubt CORE alone will be enough to overcome the inaction of P83, but BW very well might be.

Thats good news, no need to order another product. But wait .. I need a new bottle of P83 soon

(08-22-2015 11:45 AM)Ekscentra Wrote:  Ghosting isn't the reason massive doses of P83 are a bad idea. Rather, it's the fact that high doses of P83 can cause a target to become so enamored with you that they have no desire (or ability) to act on those feelings. It can get you some of the craziest hits you've ever experienced, but it's highly unlikely to get you results.

But then, I wonder what might happen if you added 10-12 drops AV here? AV encourages action more than any other mix I know of. Straight P93 and/or CORE could be especially helpful components as well. I'm not sure harnessing the power of megadoses of P83 would be worthwhile, but for the sake of testing, it's more than worth a shot.

This is more or less what I've found as well - Much over100mcg and the P83 starts to work against you, no matter what or how sexual the rest of the mix is. They just want to stick around you like they have been glued there but do nothing else.

Best results for me have always been in the 30-80mcg range, depending on the nature of the overall mix.

I've experimented a lot with high doses of P83, and my conclusion is: With low doses I get more and more consistent hits.

Anything above 200mcg gave off some kind of "you are weird"-kind of vibe, combining it with Wolf, AV, Bad Wolf or A314 (Rev 32) didn't change much about it.

50mcg however was a great addition to Wolf and Bad Wolf!

Never used more than 10mcg and it still has worked quite well