Remember there could be a difference between androtics P83 and Steve's P83 as Steve never worked in a lab when he was in androtics (according to XS support). They could be similar but different.

My optimal dose is 30 mcg, but it doesn’t have neg effects I could observe as high as 60 mcg.

(02-22-2016 12:33 PM)bsk Wrote:  My optimal dose is 30 mcg, but it doesn’t have neg effects I could observe as high as 60 mcg.

Have you seen an increase in effects/different effects at the higher dosage? Is it linear?

(02-23-2016 7:37 PM)TongRen Wrote:  Have you seen an increase in effects/different effects at the higher dosage? Is it linear?

60 mcg and 30 mcg had identical effects for me. Though obviously 1 cost me an extra spray of an expensive product, so I won’t repeat!

I once made an oil based version of Steve's P83 based ICM with 62.5 mcg per ~drop. It was fun. I was human velcro in the best possible ways. Everyone wanted to stand closer to me and my GF at the time was always trying to climb on top of me. It got awkward at Wal-Mart once. Not that I minded.

(02-23-2016 8:12 PM)Snoopyace Wrote:  I once made an oil based version of Steve's P83 based ICM with 62.5 mcg per ~drop. It was fun. I was human velcro in the best possible ways. Everyone wanted to stand closer to me and my GF at the time was always trying to climb on top of me. It got awkward at Wal-Mart once. Not that I minded.

That sounds intriguing. Were you running this solo, or in conjunction with other mones?

I thought 30-60 mcg was the optimal dose. Could go all the way to 100 mcg for certain effects but not recommended.
While I'm happy to learn about your findings, I'm a bit concerned about your safety.
It's pretty potent as I recall, hopefully it doesn't have any permanent long term side effects with the megadose..

(03-27-2016 5:19 AM)ppHamelin Wrote:  I thought 30-60 mcg was the optimal dose. Could go all the way to 100 mcg for certain effects but not recommended.

It depends - Oils usually need considerably higher doses due to their slower diffusion.

I'm currently trying a P83 oil - approx 16mcg per drop and its nice but much lower-key/dreamier/subtle in effect compared to spray but well suited to long-term exposure. I'm getting good results and superb longevity from four to five drops so-far.