In a few weeks, I'm going out of town with a really good female friend of mine (we're both late 20's caucasian). We're sharing a hotel room for a few days. I'm not desperate but I definitely wouldn't mind getting out of the friend zone at some point.

Thing is, I've never seen her react to mones at all like I have other people. If they do affect her I would say she hides it very well. I was testing products individually around her for 2-3 weeks each
, including Xist, L2K v1, NA, Core & Imprint (well... I might have jumped the gun on combining those two early) and Perfect Match.

The mones work in general, if this was only about trying to get a reaction out of her I wouldn't be bothering at this point. But it has me thinking. When this kind of thing happens - for the record I do know Pheromones work better around new people - is it more likely she's less susceptible to pheromones or because she knows me too well to readily accept the changes in signature? Are there any products or tactics (i.e. higher doses) that work in these situations where others don't?

Disclaimer: I know mones only do so much, I was just curious. Especially since I've been through this before with an actual GF (which was when I kind of lost interest in mones and largely took a phero break for a few years).

Maybe she is the type of women who respond to a-nol.try a mix with it, corpo does it for me.i've seen it working very well on a girl who is immune to none.

She's definitely been exposed to Alpha Androstenol between L2K, Certo (forgot to mention it) and Perfect Match. Don't know the concentrations, but she definitely doesn't need help from mones to talk my head off (if that's what you were suggesting going for).

I had a theory after a while that it was just -none she didn't respond too, which was when I started testing products that were more -Androsterone focused, with no results either. No Corpo here but just for kicks I wore up to 8 drops of Ascend (solo) this weekend to see if she would respond to an OD. Nope, not as far as I could tell though it was only three days of testing.

The weird thing is I know she has a very keen sense of smell. I guess that doesn't predispose you to being affected by pheromones though.

Have you tried connections?

(04-29-2014 10:33 PM)SeekingSuccess Wrote:  Have you tried connections?

I could but she already shares her deepest, darkest secrets with me.

I kind of shoe-horned myself into this position, honestly. I wasn't interested at first but then we very quickly became extremely close friends and before I knew it my opinion started to change. And now I think she very literally thinks of me as a brother.

I wonder if you used too many products on her too fast and now her brain doesn't even comprehend the phero messages you send out anymore, idk.
or you're probably right on that she just hides her feelings too well. Some people are just hard-wired that way. I'm one of these people haha, but Pheromones do help myself out too.

(04-30-2014 7:33 AM)XyzN Wrote:  I wonder if you used too many products on her too fast and now her brain doesn't even comprehend the phero messages you send out anymore, idk.
or you're probably right on that she just hides her feelings too well. Some people are just hard-wired that way. I'm one of these people haha, but Pheromones do help myself out too.

That was why I tried not to change anything for at least two week intervals (besides wanting a good chance to test the products out just in general), but that might not have been enough. I was just hoping to find something that had an obvious sign of having at least some effect that I could stick with from there on out. Which is still my goal, really, but if I decided to pick something and stick with it at this very moment it would be difficult to decide what to use based on everything's seemingly lack of effectiveness with her.

Pheromones work on a very 'lower-brain' level, and human perception is a component of both higher and lower brain stimuli, where more often than not, higher brain stimuli will supercede lower brain stimuli. Human perception is also subject to experience and conditioning....if past experience has molded a certain perception of you with a lady, chances are she will continue to perceive you in the same fashion UNLESS there is some change in her experience with you that alters that perception.

In that context, simply putting pheromones on and expecting her perception of you seems like a relatively simple thing to do, however, as mentioned earlier, higher brain stimuli will usually supersede lower brain stimuli (like pheromones). Pheromones are most effective when there is congruency between the higher-brain stimuli (social status, behavior, looks, etc), and lower brain-stimuli (the pheromones). They almost always fall flat when there is a discrepancy between the two. The reason pheromones don't necessarily work on people you know is because there is a lack of congruency between their past experience with you, and the pheromones you're wearing.

Taking that into consideration, if you want to change how a lady perceives you, you have to change the experience she has with you. Changing the lower brain stimuli by throwing pheromones into the mix is only part of the equation....the bigger part is changing everything else. Simply changing the way you look can go a long way, but also changing the way you interact with her. If you continue to treat her like a friend, then pheromones or not, she will perceive you as a friend. If you want her to perceive you as more than a friend, then you will have to shift her experience with you to for her to think of you as otherwise. The good news is that pheromones will go a very long way in enhancing receptivity of these perceptual shifts, but you are still behooved to put the effort in first!

(04-30-2014 7:41 PM)Sigma Wrote:  The good news is that pheromones will go a very long way in enhancing receptivity of these perceptual shifts, but you are still behooved to put the effort in first!

I've been trying there, too. I didn't mean to make it sound like I wasn't, but I didn't want to make my post one huge massive wall of text. Different things here and there but what I thought was the biggest one was I didn't start breaking the touch barrier consistently until 2-3 months ago.

I tried distancing myself from her for a while too at one point, at the recommendation of another female friend.

Some of the dynamics of our relationship are kind of difficult to change. As far as where we go and what we do, the girl always knows exactly what she wants, which has made it kind of difficult to take any kind of control in that situation.

Sigma said it perfectly and even tied it with brain function, Lach you have options you might not want to exercise those options but you have options. You can just not hang out with her and not do the things that she wants to do. Contrast is king when making a strong impression or changing how you are perceived. Those things might end up being more drastic than you would like but she will notice the difference, especially if you drop communication for awhile.

You can't have it both ways, if you want to change the relationship your going to have to shake things up in a drastic way.