I cannot believe myself it is unbelievable I just had a huge epiphany. I know why my mones aren't as effective as they should be. It was me all along. I just read up on some stuff regarding why masturbation is bad and can mess with your testosterone levels and make you beta. I am not going to lie I have hit rock bottom of the fap addiction. I do it everyday(I know guys/gals TMI! but I am just honest) this is bad and I hope to change that. Each time you masturbate or watch porn your body releases a surge of prolactin and gives you the feeling of satisfaction but this is bad as you feel sleepy and not wanting to do much. With the prolactin increasing after each "fap" it reduces the testosterone and of course makes you feel beta. The other problem to "fapping" excessively is that it gives you social anxiety and making you feel beta (That is why I am not game) and of course when we have less testosterone we feel as we are not worthy of them 10's. Without smacking the meat you will be more attractive to women and your conversational skills increase as you have adequate T levels.

Due to my problem I have messed up my T levels and seem unattractive to girls and I feel worthless. This could possibly have an impact on my game and pheromone effectiveness. I have noticed back when I started a year ago. (Yeah I never used to "fap" until I was 18 as I just didn't want to and you feel more sensitive when having sex and you have wet dreams; which are normal way to release excessive amounts of man juice). Sex is better than masturbating as we all know that a woman releases copulins on the man and that boosts his testosterone levels so sex is good.(Kindly have lots of it lol)

Some info why excessive mastubation is bad
http://www.2knowmyself.com/Why_masturbat...confidence

So I accept the challenge of not "fapping" for 2 months straight and I shall an increase in my manhood and use my mones effectively as they will be working with my T levels. I need this to help me from destroying myself as porn and excessive masturbation can mess with a man's sex drive. I will keep a journal of this(Not on here of course unless the mods let me) How far I get and my self effects. I wonder if there is any subliminal's that can also help me through my journey. Let's do this!

P.S Sorry if this might be to provocative but I needed to get it out to help other men and many mone users.

Have you actually had your testosterone levels checked by a blood test?

(02-01-2014 4:02 PM)Blacky Chan Wrote:  Have you actually had your testosterone levels checked by a blood test?

No because it isn't fatal but I do feel a decrease. It also has to do with me being overweight as well as overweight males produce more estrogen.

This is a pretty good thought. I came across a similar idea as well when I was trying to find a link between masturbation and natural -none production. I found a different article that basically said the same thing you found.

Your link's show a "page not found" error so I'm not sure if it says very similar things. One of the things the article mentioned was that masturbating to porn creates a positive feedback to the wrong stimulus and actions.

Normally, orgasm from sex is the "reward" for having good convo/pick-up skills. The better you are at talking/connecting to/leading the girl, the more likely you'll experience sex.

By watching porn and masturbating, a positive reinforcement is created for those actions. As a result, we as men generally start losing our ability to pick up girls (it doesn't help that the depletion of our testosterone level makes us not want to do anything after).

Good luck on your challenge.

(02-01-2014 5:29 PM)fdesa12 Wrote:  This is a pretty good thought. I came across a similar idea as well when I was trying to find a link between masturbation and natural -none production. I found a different article that basically said the same thing you found.

Your link's show a "page not found" error so I'm not sure if it says very similar things. One of the things the article mentioned was that masturbating to porn creates a positive feedback to the wrong stimulus and actions.

Normally, orgasm from sex is the "reward" for having good convo/pick-up skills. The better you are at talking/connecting to/leading the girl, the more likely you'll experience sex.

By watching porn and masturbating, a positive reinforcement is created for those actions. As a result, we as men generally start losing our ability to pick up girls (it doesn't help that the depletion of our testosterone level makes us not want to do anything after).

Good luck on your challenge.

Hmm don't know why the link doesn't work but I'll put the artical name so you can google it
"Why masturbation lowers your self esteem and kills your self confidence"

This may be of some assistance in your challenge:

http://pherotruth.org/Thread-NO-FAP-Chal...ap+no+porn

(02-01-2014 1:58 PM)IainLPplus44 Wrote:  I cannot believe myself it is unbelievable I just had a huge epiphany. I know why my mones aren't as effective as they should be. It was me all along. I just read up on some stuff regarding why masturbation is bad and can mess with your testosterone levels and make you beta. I am not going to lie I have hit rock bottom of the fap addiction. I do it everyday(I know guys/gals TMI! but I am just honest) this is bad and I hope to change that. Each time you masturbate or watch porn your body releases a surge of prolactin and gives you the feeling of satisfaction but this is bad as you feel sleepy and not wanting to do much. With the prolactin increasing after each "fap" it reduces the testosterone and of course makes you feel beta. The other problem to "fapping" excessively is that it gives you social anxiety and making you feel beta (That is why I am not game) and of course when we have less testosterone we feel as we are not worthy of them 10's. Without smacking the meat you will be more attractive to women and your conversational skills increase as you have adequate T levels.

Due to my problem I have messed up my T levels and seem unattractive to girls and I feel worthless. This could possibly have an impact on my game and pheromone effectiveness. I have noticed back when I started a year ago. (Yeah I never used to "fap" until I was 18 as I just didn't want to and you feel more sensitive when having sex and you have wet dreams; which are normal way to release excessive amounts of man juice). Sex is better than masturbating as we all know that a woman releases copulins on the man and that boosts his testosterone levels so sex is good.(Kindly have lots of it lol)

Some info why excessive mastubation is bad
http://www.2knowmyself.com/Why_masturbat...confidence

So I accept the challenge of not "fapping" for 2 months straight and I shall an increase in my manhood and use my mones effectively as they will be working with my T levels. I need this to help me from destroying myself as porn and excessive masturbation can mess with a man's sex drive. I will keep a journal of this(Not on here of course unless the mods let me) How far I get and my self effects. I wonder if there is any subliminal's that can also help me through my journey. Let's do this!

P.S Sorry if this might be to provocative but I needed to get it out to help other men and many mone users.

Is there actual scientific proof to this? I remember reading something along the lines of masturbating lowering your overall test levels ect ect once before (I think) but I didn't know if it was all a theory and "broscience" or not.

(02-01-2014 6:00 PM)UOCC8 Wrote:  Is there actual scientific proof to this? I remember reading something along the lines of masturbating lowering your overall test levels ect ect once before (I think) but I didn't know if it was all a theory and "broscience" or not.

There is scientific proof. Men who are addicted to porn and masturbation get erectile dysfunction. My dad got it because he was addicted to it so much and not getting love from his misses. It was written in a letter from his doctor to stop masturbating. It has been affecting me for over a year now. It eats away at you like a drug addiction. We all know a man with lots of testosterone is Alpha and takes charge. There is more science to it. It has something to do with dopamine in the man. As porn makes you release large short burst of it and not climaxing which can be a problem in the bedroom. I don't know much but this does affect pheromone and hormone levels in men. Masturbating moderately isn't so bad it's the guys who are addicted to it like doing it 3 times a day or even more.

(02-01-2014 6:07 PM)IainLPplus44 Wrote:  There is scientific proof. Men who are addicted to porn and masturbation get erectile dysfunction. My dad got it because he was addicted to it so much and not getting love from his misses. It was written in a letter from his doctor to stop masturbating. It has been affecting me for over a year now. It eats away at you like a drug addiction. We all know a man with lots of testosterone is Alpha and takes charge. There is more science to it. It has something to do with dopamine in the man. As porn makes you release large short burst of it and not climaxing which can be a problem in the bedroom. I don't know much but this does affect pheromone and hormone levels in men. Masturbating moderately isn't so bad it's the guys who are addicted to it like doing it 3 times a day or even more.

If that's the case I would think that even once a day would probably be too much.

(02-01-2014 6:11 PM)UOCC8 Wrote:  If that's the case I would think that even once a day would probably be too much.

A guy from the Reddit NoFap page says this

"At the same time, part of NoFap is undeniably placebo- if NoFap is making you more energetic, then perceiving that rise in energy or hormone makes you likely to see yourself as a confident man. As a result, this reflects in your actions. That feeling that you're a great and confident man will make you come across as more attractive to girls. To me, that's why girls and NoFap in many ways feed into each other. Then there's the whole increased testosterone thing, but that returns to normal levels after Day 10 anyway (or just above baseline, but it's a small difference.)"

So that would make pheromones plus the confidence you get from NoFap equals you getting laid each time and that doesn't mean you are losing testosterone as you will be covered in natural copulins which increase testosterone.