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Pheromone Synesthesia
01-23-2010 12:28 PM

I've always had a sick fascination with things like neurology, the nature of conciousness (which I believe to be omnipresent), and how subjective perception/misperception within conciousness can be effected by neurological conditions. So much so I used to read books like "the man who mistook his wife for a hat", so I had heard about, and was vaguely aware of what Synesthesia is.

I'm sure most here have the same basic information as to what Synesthesia is as I do, but here's a link to the Synesthesia wiki page, and a video for those who aren't familiar with Synesthesia and are interested:

Synesthesia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/veoN1mh7RME&amp;rel=0&amp;fs=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/veoN1mh7RME&amp;rel=0&amp;fs=1</a>

Well, I think I experience Synesthesia with pheromones, although I have no other form of Synesthesia what so ever. Oddly enough I have no Synesthesia reaction to the more popular, well known pheromones (like the nol's, -none, Androsterone, etc), so I never experienced any form of Synesthesia when I was new and playing with just the consumer products. It was when I started exploring the putatives I started noticing Synesthesia. I can still remember the first time I sprayed myself with p74, and instantly and vividly I had this mental image of a light green colour. I still get this consistently, every time I wear p74 or even when I just think about p74. I think I can pretty much tell if p74 is in, or not in a mix just by my Synesthesia reaction.

I thought at first because my Synesthesia seemed to be related to the putatives only, that I wasn't experiencing pheromone Synesthesia, but the common from of Synesthesia, where numbers (or letter) are interpreted as a colour, i.e; I was interpreting the putative numbers as a colour. I changed my mind when I also experienced Synesthesia with the experimones. My most vivid, consistent reactions are:

p74 - light green
TAC - light blue
TAF - crystal clear, colourless
p86 - warm yellow
p94- the same warm yellow
TAA - a more crisp yellow
p78 - a deep, ugly purple
p93 - the same purple
p79 - similar blue to TAC but lighter still

I'm still not sure if I'm actually experiencing real pheromone Synesthesia, or if I'm actually experiencing Synesthesia from the feelings pheromones evoke in me, i.e; I'm seeing colours associated with feelings, rather than the pheromones themselves directly communicating with the brain. It would make sense, as generally the colours I see are similar to the emotions the pheromone evokes.

Having said that though, could it actually be possible that, some pheromones deliberately (as their evolutionary purpose) actually impose a mild form of Synesthesia upon everyone exposed. And we here are utilising their perception bending/amplifying/enhancing properties?

I've never really seen pheromone Synesthesia duiscussed much before, so I don't know how common it is amongst us. Any other 'suffers'? For me it is purely colours, I know evolver on PT once mentioned sounds, anyone else with different experiences?

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RE: Pheromone Synesthesia
01-23-2010 12:44 PM

I can't say that I have, but I rarely get much of a self effect from Pheromones anyway, with the exception of one mix a wore awhile back that turned me into a cleaning machine. Eek

But, this is an interesting question/theory to ponder, and I'll, be following this thread to see what others have to say.

If others experience similiar involuntary associations/reactions to molecules, it could help in associating and identifying some of the unknown molecules we've been wearing with their real names.

Reps for an excellent contribution!

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01-23-2010 12:56 PM

I wouldn't say I'm experiencing Synesthesia and I'd hesitate to say you are (that's not for me to say), if you were however, to see colors on the letters/numbers of the putatives then you would see those same colors everywhere you saw the letter or number. So if you saw p74 as a combination of 'blue' (p), 'red' (7), and 'yellow' (4). Then the phrase "Phillip - 440-729-2734" should be colored as well.

I do associate colors with particular pheromones however. Not so much the pheromone itself, but the vibe/feeling that the pheromone elicits. I sometimes ask others to associate a color and they don't always match, but it gives me an idea of what tone/type of vibe they are feeling.

For example, IS has been associated with a fresh, light green due to the way it made her feel uplifted and alive.

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RE: Pheromone Synesthesia
01-23-2010 1:38 PM

Hmm never experienced that with Pheromones. Closest thing was maybe when I'm under certain conditions... xD Felt a bit... purple or neon green. Didn't know there was an actual term/condition for it.

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01-23-2010 1:58 PM

I have a tendency to class Pheromones in terms of brightness, with TAA probably the brightest and None the darkest but I can't say I go beyond that.

Synesthesia is a fascinating condition though and just shows what a remarkable, complicated and wonderful thing the human mind is.
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01-24-2010 9:12 AM

Quote:Synesthesia is a fascinating condition though and just shows what a remarkable, complicated and wonderful thing the human mind is.

I agree but would add it shows how powerful the mind is.

Wildflower, I love science and exploring these conditions as well. I never heard or read about it before but from watching the video you provided and reading the Wiki link I found it so interesting. Being in to metaphysics myself it seems very related to me.

Consider this.............

Quantum Physics states that all matter (even numbers) are made of energy that vibrates at different frequencies that the human mind picks up and translates into matter. We all read these frequencies basically the same or within a certain range so when you see a dog its a dog to pretty much everyone. Think of your brain as a radio dial. 101.3 may be the call number for your favorite station but if you dial in at 100.8 you can still hear it. Its just not as sharp or clear. Same thing if you dial in at 102.0. You can hear it but not so clearly or it comes in and out. Perhaps people who have Synesthesia are just closer to 101.3. They see more clearly and more sharply then others. They pick up the energy force behind matter and all energy forces have a color. I think science has it opposite. What they call a "condition" is actually the gift of clairvoyance, clairsentience or clairaudient on different levels. Most all people have it on some level. I haven't read the book you mentioned but I assume they are saying that the man who mistook his wife for a hat had Synesthsia. I say he was dialing so far from the correct frequency he translated the vibration wrong. He has the condition but not those with Synesthsia.

Many people know I am clairvoyant and a empath which is clairsentient. From my stand point when I think about what occurs when I "see" or I "feel" I do associate vibrational color to it. Aura readers do much the same. I can see the aura of some objects and sometimes some people if its strong enough and much more frequently with pheromones. I have always seen this way so I rarely think about it. When I was real little I thought everyone saw this way until my grandmother explained to me they didnt. What I find really interesting is that I associate the same colors you do to almost all of the ones you listed.

P74 is more aqua to me though. I can feel colors and when I feel other peoples emotions they have color as well. Those colors match up.

When a person is feeling calm tranquility and is grounded or bonding I feel and see it as aqua. That's what aqua means to me. P74 also feels aqua to me. When I wear pheromones and there aura is yellow and they are giving off yellow emotions (as with TAA) I can see and feel the effect of P74. Because they are having there own natural feelings and those of the pheromones I usually see it as Chartreuse or sea green depending on how happy and uplifted they are naturally feeling.

I think you are intuitive and that's why you strongly associate with colors. I am going to read more about Synesthesia because it is really interesting. Thanks for bring it up.

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01-26-2010 4:51 PM

Quote:I do associate colors with particular pheromones however. Not so much the pheromone itself, but the vibe/feeling that the pheromone elicits. I sometimes ask others to associate a color and they don't always match, but it gives me an idea of what tone/type of vibe they are feeling.


That is what I've always chalked my experience up as, however when going of the following classification my experience is in line with the first four points:

1. Synesthesia is involuntary and automatic.
2. Synesthetic perceptions are spatially extended, meaning they often have a sense of "location." For example, synesthetes speak of "looking at" or "going to" a particular place to attend to the experience.
3. Synesthetic percepts are consistent and generic (i.e., simple rather than pictorial).
4. Synesthesia is highly memorable.
5. Synesthesia is laden with affect.

The most notable point to me is the involuntary and automatic one. I often - like when I first tried p74 - get a colour straight away upon application, before I even consciously know how the pheromone makes me feel. I'm talking about first time experiences with new pheromones that I have no idea what they do. So if I am assigning a colour to a pheromone by associating it with the mood it evokes in me, I am doing so subconsciously and at incredible speed. I guess if this proves anything it is just how quick the brain can process and interoperate pheromones.

Quote:I have a tendency to class Pheromones in terms of brightness, with TAA probably the brightest and None the darkest but I can't say I go beyond that.


I too mentally class pheromones on a lightness/darkness scale (more in terms of mood than light), but the 'Synesthesia' I experience is separate entirely from that as the concept of categorising the colours on a spectrum feels alien and odd. Hard to explain.

Quote:Quantum Physics states that all matter (even numbers) are made of energy that vibrates at different frequencies that the human mind picks up and translates into matter. We all read these frequencies basically the same or within a certain range so when you see a dog its a dog to pretty much everyone. Think of your brain as a radio dial. 101.3 may be the call number for your favorite station but if you dial in at 100.8 you can still hear it. Its just not as sharp or clear. Same thing if you dial in at 102.0. You can hear it but not so clearly or it comes in and out. Perhaps people who have Synesthesia are just closer to 101.3. They see more clearly and more sharply then others. They pick up the energy force behind matter and all energy forces have a color. I think science has it opposite. What they call a "condition" is actually the gift of clairvoyance, clairsentience or clairaudient on different levels. Most all people have it on some level. I haven't read the book you mentioned but I assume they are saying that the man who mistook his wife for a hat had Synesthsia. I say he was dialing so far from the correct frequency he translated the vibration wrong. He has the condition but not those with Synesthsia.


I think if I'm understanding what you are saying correctly we are on the same 'wavelength' lol. I totally agree that everything that exists is vibrating. Nothing can ever not vibrate, because if it did it would cease to exist. The lowest temperature in the entire universe is -273.15 degrees Celsius, nothing can ever go below that because energy generates heat (heat is energy) and what is energy but the vibration of particles. If it was possible to go below that temperature (it isn't, it's impossible) matter would simply stop vibrating and vanish. Energy can't be created or destroyed though, that is fundamental.

When we sense our environment - our reality - with our senses we are indeed just looking at various manifestations of matter, determined by different vibrational frequencies. True reality is the landscape prior to any labelling. We may detect various forms within our environment and say "that is a dog" or whatever, but atomically there can be no distinction between the mass of vibrating energy which makes up a dog and the energy which makes up the environment surrounding the dog. There is not any singular atom, or any part of energy, separate from any other atom. I guess this is how the law of attraction works. There is no individual entity that makes a dog, or a cat, or a human, a tree, etc. It is all the same interconnected vibrating matter. Parts only exist as a mental perception, there is only really the whole.

It is easy to see why we then mentally chop up the whole and label it. The mind instinctively looks for patterns and assigns labels where it finds them. This makes sense evolutionary speaking as it is beneficial to be able to label what wants to eat us, what we want to eat, what is safe, what isn't, etc.

I think present day science is a little dated (although I think it is in the process of readdressing itself - there does seems to be a lot of forward momentum) in that it views matter as inanimate, i.e; dead and lifeless. If all existence is but vibrations how can it be treated as dead, unintelligent matter simply governed by some universal laws that were brought about accidentally and blindly by the conditions which happened to happen. vibrant (derived from vibrating) is very rarely a word used to describe the dead. The universe is an incredibly alive place, and science seems to slowly acknowledging that.

But then how does conciousness (the very thing which perceives everything) fit into all this? This has been discussed for hundreds of years as the subject-object problem. May sound far-fetched to a lot of people but I believe that matter is the manifestation of conciousness, which itself in omnipresent. This isn't just a belief I chose to believe, it is something which can be directly realised and known through spiritual meditation. Non-dualism was the base behind every major religion that has ever existed (although those religions have long since gone of track and become dogma), it now seems more and more, bit by bit, that science itself is getting closer to a non-dual model of reality.

I think a lot of 'conditions' like Synesthesia are caused by different subject-object perceptions, be it caused by differences chemically, neurologically, psychically, etc. I too think they are great gifts as oppose to 'conditions'. I find it all very interesting.

The man who mistook his wife for a hat is a great little book (very easy to read and understand - no big neurological terms, which was a "phew" because I don't know any lol) about all different kind of these 'conditions' and phenomena. The twins being the most interesting case study in my opinion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who..._for_a_Hat

Quote:Many people know I am clairvoyant and a empath which is clairsentient. From my stand point when I think about what occurs when I "see" or I "feel" I do associate vibrational color to it. Aura readers do much the same. I can see the aura of some objects and sometimes some people if its strong enough and much more frequently with pheromones. I have always seen this way so I rarely think about it. When I was real little I thought everyone saw this way until my grandmother explained to me they didnt. What I find really interesting is that I associate the same colors you do to almost all of the ones you listed.


wow being able to see auras must be an incredible skill to posses. I wouldn't be at all surprised if you being an empath and being able to see auras are two sides of the same coin. Both would bring about a certain degree of telepathy. You're a superhero Tisha :D

EDIT: I apologise in advance if I sounded patronising (and I know I'm not the best at describing what I've just tried to desribe - Ken Wilber is) I just can't resist decisions about the "bigger picture" and all that - it intrigues me too much. I couldn't help go off topic a bit.

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01-27-2010 5:04 AM

wildflower Wrote:EDIT: I apologise in advance if I sounded patronising (and I know I'm not the best at describing what I've just tried to desribe - Ken Wilber is) I just can't resist decisions about the "bigger picture" and all that - it intrigues me too much. I couldn't help go off topic a bit.

wildflower Wrote:I think present day science is a little dated (although I think it is in the process of readdressing itself - there does seems to be a lot of forward momentum) in that it views matter as inanimate, i.e; dead and lifeless. If all existence is but vibrations how can it be treated as dead, unintelligent matter simply governed by some universal laws that were brought about accidentally and blindly by the conditions which happened to happen. vibrant (derived from vibrating) is very rarely a word used to describe the dead. The universe is an incredibly alive place, and science seems to slowly acknowledging that.

No not at all, I love this talk. My husband always teases me when I tell him he should wear pheromones. He says " I dont need pheromones to turn you on all I need to do is talk about science" LOL Its true though, I may not be a "scientist" but I find it all so exciting and stimulating. I guess I find it exciting because it puts merit into what I have always understood and believed naturally.

For instance you know I am a witch as was my grandmother. Well energy vibration and the vibration of all things like roots, herbs, crystals even words can be manipulated simply by how you use them. So when I discovered the scientists work on quantum physics and such I was so excited and of course told her about it. She just snorted and said we always knew this. Same thing with the law of attraction although that got popular after her death. I was so excited and I could hear that snort in my head of her saying but you always knew this.

I remember when my brother was in college and everyone said what a genius he was/is. Don't get me wrong he is totally smart and I have to admit I feel a little inadequate in that respect around him. My grandmother would tell me he is very smart but he has to learn to know what you already know. I always love to talk science with him although he has to bring it down to my vocabulary levels LOL . A lot of times he will look at me stunned and say where did you learn that ? I tell him, I didnt learn it I always knew, you just haven't learned that you know yet. On some level I think all of us know but the conscious mind gets in the way. Logic and scientific thinking are conscious thought. Knowing comes from the subconscious where your higher self or spirit is and you may not know how or why you know but you do.

Wildflowe Wrote:It is easy to see why we then mentally chop up the whole and label it. The mind instinctively looks for patterns and assigns labels where it finds them. This makes sense evolutionary speaking as it is beneficial to be able to label what wants to eat us, what we want to eat, what is safe, what isn't, etc.

Labeling, I just had a great convo over at PT in the lounge about this and magick although I think I was talking to myself more because the people asking were just curious. More like freak show curious then open minded curious. Thats ok though. Basically what I was saying is people have to label for communication purposes. http://www.pheromonetalk.com/lounge/magi...061-2.html post 12 if you interested.

wildflower Wrote:But then how does consciousness (the very thing which perceives everything) fit into all this? This has been discussed for hundreds of years as the subject-object problem. May sound far-fetched to a lot of people but I believe that matter is the manifestation of consciousness, which itself in omnipresent. This isn't just a belief I chose to believe, it is something which can be directly realised and known through spiritual meditation. Non-dualism was the base behind every major religion that has ever existed (although those religions have long since gone of track and become dogma), it now seems more and more, bit by bit, that science itself is getting closer to a non-dual model of reality.

Exactly and it does sound far fetched to most people. I think the word believe is a problem even in the works of law of attraction. A belief is learned its a conscious thought and has no vibrations its the emotion behind the belief that holds the vibration. Belief is part of what fuels labeling. Knowing is different its more of an emotion. Its why meditation works so well when you can leave the conscious learned thoughts behind. Its where everything becomes pure energy. To many people think meditation means you have to sit for hours a day chanting ommmmmm when really its just clearing the conscious mind. Once learned and practiced enough you can do it in seconds.

You ever watch Chris Angel "The mind freak" on TV or in person ? I have seen him a few times in person. He really is amazing and some of what he does is just magic tricks but a lot of what he does is manipulate energy and he is extremely clairvoyant and clairsentient. He is probably clairaudent, telepathic as well as a list of other things. His consciousness is developed on a much higher level then most peoples. David Copperfield is a magician. Chris invokes energy to manifest (evoke) magick (illusions). Sure he knows all the magician tricks but he incorporates those into everything else he already always knew thats what makes him so freaky. LOL

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