TAH molecule H reveal

TAH has been an open secret for years, so we may as well get it out there.

Salute to Mr indi-player who's big reveal on TAC put my mind "abuzz" on the other molecules.

If AD was trolling their customers to such an extent that TAC=THC, then what info can we glean from other names like TAA, TAK, TAH, etc?

A lot, I think.

I did not come to my conclusion by testing and comparing reactions. I'm just looking at the social engineering aspect, so to speak.

TAH is not the giant that TAC was, so molecule H is not a game changer in the phero world. But I think it may lead others to similar conclusions about other molecules based solely on the spelling of the names.

Based on the spelling of the molecule name, I argue that:

TAH = Hedione

My memory sometimes fails me, but I remember over at the now-defunct forum, Jazzy-J herself said that TAH "improves every blend" and it's in all their retail products (Ammo, IS, IH, etc).

Hedione is a fixative that is used now in many designer fragrances. The fact that it smells like jasmine doesn't hurt my argument, I think.


In 2019, LPMP user halo0073 posted (obviously referring to AD in a post about hedione):

Quote:It can have phero like effects. Widely reported and accepted. It just does not for me. I know a lot of guys too who bought into the hype when another major phero company put it into every existing formula because he believed in it so much and most were disappointed if not downright angry that it did nothing for them and in some cases felt that it made the established formulas weaker.

If you go to the SINGLE MOLECULE WIKI on the LPMP store site, you can see Hedione listed as one of the pheromones they use. Many years ago, they purchased TAH from AD and used it in blends like Neanderlicious.

If you want to try out hedione without actually buying the separate ingredient, just spray on some CK1, which I read on basenotes before everything was deleted there that it's around 30% composition by mass at the concentrate of hedione.

Aventus is another high-hedione fragrance.

Hopefully, others can look at the "social engineering" aspect of what they were doing at AD in the early 2000s to name their products.

Cheers!

I never heard of TAH, so I can't comment on the claim, however I use hedione. It might be a weak pheromone, but one of the few with scientific proven effects, you an find it at pubmed.

I use it in Beau as a component in the grjusman accord. Some folks find the smell of Beau good, hedione is definitely a part of it.

Just some additional information on hedione, there is ordinary hedione and high-cis hedione which has an increased concentration of the cis-isomer of the molecule. HC hedione is quite a bit more expensive and you find that a mixture of both types is most recommended in the perfume making

(08-15-2023 3:25 PM)Marcus Antonius Wrote:  I never heard of TAH, so I can't comment on the claim, however I use hedione. It might be a weak pheromone, but one of the few with scientific proven effects, you an find it at pubmed.

I use it in Beau as a component in the grjusman accord. Some folks find the smell of Beau good, hedione is definitely a part of it.

Just some additional information on hedione, there is ordinary hedione and high-cis hedione which has an increased concentration of the cis-isomer of the molecule. HC hedione is quite a bit more expensive and you find that a mixture of both types is most recommended in the perfume making

I never tried TAH, so I can't say how it compares to hedione vs hedione plus Hi cis.

I think it's important to get it out there that their experimones can be decoded just by looking at their code.

So far TAC=THC and TAH=Hedione.

I know others on here have their own ideas about other molecules and I look forward to hearing all of them.

I never heard of TAH is there anyone who owns/owned this that could confirm this theory?

(08-16-2023 12:19 PM)TracerX Wrote:  I never heard of TAH is there anyone who owns/owned this that could confirm this theory?

I doubt there is much TAH floating around these days. It was somewhat hated by the time AD spun down from its heights. TAH was blamed for screwing up their retail products, but I don't believe TAH was the fault. It was never ending drama with those people.

Neanderlicious was a super popular women's blend over at LPMP. It was TAH (bought in bulk from AD) and cops.

It may be easier to try your own mix of hedione + cops (especially if you can give it to a woman to try out). Just a thought...

I wonder if TAA = Astaxanthin

(08-17-2023 11:34 AM)bootysage Wrote:  I wonder if TAA = Astaxanthin

That's a good guess. I had the same thought as you.

However, after doing some digging I'm pretty sure that:

TAA=Androsterone Sulfate

In the first place, experienced ptruth member Eksentra made this post in 2015:

Quote:Even better - it's been confirmed by lab analysis with essentially 100% probability if we apply some level of critical thinking (MS). Androsterone Sulfate is the only possibility there is. The other, one could argue, is DHEAS, but the effects are grossly inconsistent with those of TAA for those who have extensively tested both. This was in an analysis of Instant Shine.

https://pherotruth.org/Thread-Androstero...#pid169335

I haven't seen the lab analysis on Instant Shine that he mentions, but I see no reason to doubt him.

Also, a phero-user (datadragon) who seems to know his stuff made a post over at the LPMP forum where he refers to TAA/Androsterone Sulfate interchangeable. That's hardly proof, I know, but when you combine that with the likelihood that the secret to AD's experimones was in the code name itself, I call it decent evidence.

In the second place, it starts with the letter A, so there's that.

If there are any big fans of TAA, Instant Shine, and Androsterone Sulfate I would like to hear your thoughts on my hypothesis.

Cheers!

I just looked and don't have Androtics TAH,but I did find I have TAK and TAL, so will hold on to those and research a bit.

(08-17-2023 4:28 PM)justintime469 Wrote:  I just looked and don't have Androtics TAH,but I did find I have TAK and TAL, so will hold on to those and research a bit.

The conventional wisdom was that:
TAH = cute, flirty and playful
TAL = slightly domineering and very in control
when used by women.

I don't really trust the conventional wisdom, so I that all the molecules deserve a fresh look.

Since hedione is used in many men's fragrances, I think the cops mixed with TAH was more responsible for the "Marilyn Monroe in a bottle" reputation than the TAH itself.