(12-23-2011 7:56 PM)Tigurinn Wrote:  Sadly some threads do give out that impression.

What pheromone product would give me the ego boost to approach?

True Alpha @ 2 drops is effective in attracting young girls attention on to me like between 16-25 it works like clockwork 4 me with young girls, however it does not seem to elicit any real action for me with more mature women, where i do get positive results with using True Instinct, also i have used several bottles of True Love with great results from my first bottles of the scented variety, with not so great results from my unscented, although i still have another 3 unopened 30 ml bottles of unscented yet to test.
The quality of True pheromones is very good overall, and there is no problems with the products it is only just a matter of choosing something to suit your specific needs and to complement your own unique pheromone signature.

From Liquid Alchemy Labs "NUDE" works well at around 4-5 drops, also Aqua Vitae starting at 1-2 dr, and there are others including Wolf.

Certo or Glace from Alpha Dream are popular products and worth a look.

Ok welcome to the forum i hope it is an enjoyable experience for you and that you may find a few products to match up with cheers terry . . . TAB . .

With all due respect - has any forum member here (a true and trusted one) done any serious testing, with pheromones and without (meaning, for example, going to a shop with social pheromones and then the next day to another shop without anything) ?

...I guess we've all had our situations where we've had someone behave in a way that we would have contributed to pheromones, if we would have worn any; haven't we? Heck, today I was at a shop today and if I had worn pheromones I would have said that they were the cause of how very social the cashier was towards me and I would have 'sworn by them' (a british expression that I hope I'm writing correctly) and sung the pheromones praise.

And I know of some YouTube videos - however most of them seem like advertisements in disguise; although not one where some news reporter blindfolds a girl and let her sniff three guys, one with pheromones, one with a cologne and one with sweat. She picked the one with the cologne.

- and yes, if you think I'm very skeptical then you are correct.

(12-27-2011 2:53 PM)Tigurinn Wrote:  With all due respect - has any forum member here (a true and trusted one) done any serious testing, with pheromones and without (meaning, for example, going to a shop with social pheromones and then the next day to another shop without anything) ?

...I guess we've all had our situations where we've had someone behave in a way that we would have contributed to pheromones, if we would have worn any; haven't we? Heck, today I was at a shop today and if I had worn pheromones I would have said that they were the cause of how very social the cashier was towards me and I would have 'sworn by them' (a british expression that I hope I'm writing correctly) and sung the pheromones praise.

And I know of some YouTube videos - however most of them seem like advertisements in disguise; although not one where some news reporter blindfolds a girl and let her sniff three guys, one with pheromones, one with a cologne and one with sweat. She picked the one with the cologne.

- and yes, if you think I'm very skeptical then you are correct.

I see where your coming from, however you have to have days off from using pheromones to gauge what is a hit and what isn't. One of the threads i read when i started my journey stated this and i ignored it.Later on while experimenting i had the same question in my mind until i gauged what a hit was and what a hit wasn't. Face it sometimes you may just have nice social interactions, people don't only react to pheromones a lot of things come into play but pheromones help a lot for me at least and those youtube videos most of them are just ads for a certain product in disguise i.e pherlure.

To be honest, before my last phero-break i probably counted more hits, than what actually happened. Maybe it's because i was over-eager or also because my personality changed thanks to this forum. IDK.

Still regularly, and i mean just about every time, i go to a club with pheromones on, there are reactions that i have never experienced without Pheromones.
I never had a girl opening me, by squeezing my ass, when i was passing by. Never had girls hugging/rubbing me so tightly as if their life depended on it. Never had girls continuously KINOing me like crazy, when i showed zero interest as their boyfriend is my friend. Never had girls think i knew their boyfriend, because he talked to me like best friends, while i was hitting on his girlfriend. Never had girls fight over me. Never heard girls talk about my strange "smell". None of these happened to me with no Pheromones on.

While i'd say it is outrageously easy to spot alpha and sexual blends working, it is harder to see the social blends do their thing. Still Glace just makes every small get-together/party awesome.

I was a big doubter as well, before i started with Pheromones. Especially because of some shady brands/marketing sites i saw in the past. Though the huge community and the first time wearing AV+Wolf quickly convinced me differently.

(12-21-2011 3:56 PM)as33156 Wrote:  TO Never worked for me I shipped it off to another forum member. There is a much better product for opening people or (Them opening you). Trust me on that

Would that be FB Glace?

I think the best thing to do RIGHT NOW, without pheromones, is to really pay attention to your interactions throughout the day. I mean really notice as much as you can. How open/closed you are, how open/closed others are, physical proximity, any touch involved, any of the classic attraction indicators of interest, and so on. This will be your baseline standard to measure against pheromones. This is especially true for people you interact with day to day, mainly co-workers and associates. Family is a different matter, since there's some of nature's hardwiring there to block creepy attraction vibes.

I think what you're looking for is a "proving" pheromone. Something that you can try and, measured against the aggregate reactions without pheromones, you can definitely say "Yeah, that's a hit. Without a doubt."

IMO, that product is Glace. I've only used the original, but I understand the "fast burn" version hits harder and burns brighter, but only has a fraction of the longevity of the original. I'd say either one would work.

(06-19-2012 4:14 AM)Data4 Wrote:  I think what you're looking for is a "proving" pheromone. Something that you can try and, measured against the aggregate reactions without pheromones, you can definitely say "Yeah, that's a hit. Without a doubt."

IMO, that product is Glace. I've only used the original, but I understand the "fast burn" version hits harder and burns brighter, but only has a fraction of the longevity of the original. I'd say either one would work.

Thank you Data4. I think your intuition is basically correct and I'm still looking for that DIH marginal difference that mones can make when correctly steered by good game. It's of course going to take patience, time, experimentation, persistence, and listening closely to more experienced members like yourself.

I have noticed the difference with Glace when it comes to my interactions with men. Guys who I have hardly known (and who've had pretty high social value) have been much warmer and more talkative with me when I wear 4x Glacé. Other than that I have yet to see a clear effect, but I think that's because I keep accidentally ODing by pouring too much out of my bottles, particularly when it comes to stuff like New Pheromone Additive and Androstadienone ... am going to start using an atomizer to solve that problem.

Another goal I have in the coming weeks and months, and this is what prompted me to revive this thread, is to practice daytime cold approaches. I've always dreamed of having this skill. I took a bootcamp and did additional private instruction on direct cold approach back in March and made some decent progress. In my view, if you can do daytime cold approach with a reasonable degree of success (say approach nothing but 8+'s and get at least 1 #close or instadate for every 3-4 approaches) and most importantly enjoy every step of the process, then you can pretty much accomplish anything in life which can be viewed as a numbers game - which I believe most goals boil down to. My hope is that mones can give me both a slight advantage with success once I've cold approached, but also give me slightly more confidence to do the cold approach in the first place.

In addition to my other goals with mones, I'd love to find a mix that could raise my percentage of success with daytime cold approaches as well as my confidence to do them in the first place. Does anyone have any thoughts or experience with this?

(06-19-2012 6:40 PM)Iceali Wrote:  Thank you Data4. I think your intuition is basically correct and I'm still looking for that DIH marginal difference that mones can make when correctly steered by good game. It's of course going to take patience, time, experimentation, persistence, and listening closely to more experienced members like yourself.

I have noticed the difference with Glace when it comes to my interactions with men. Guys who I have hardly known (and who've had pretty high social value) have been much warmer and more talkative with me when I wear 4x Glacé. Other than that I have yet to see a clear effect, but I think that's because I keep accidentally ODing by pouring too much out of my bottles, particularly when it comes to stuff like New Pheromone Additive and Androstadienone ... am going to start using an atomizer to solve that problem.

Another goal I have in the coming weeks and months, and this is what prompted me to revive this thread, is to practice daytime cold approaches. I've always dreamed of having this skill. I took a bootcamp and did additional private instruction on direct cold approach back in March and made some decent progress.

In addition to my other goals with mones, I'd love to find a mix that could raise my percentage of success with daytime cold approaches. Does anyone have any thoughts or experience with this?

Best 3 social mones as far as I know are Overdose, Glace, and x22. When you say you want to raise percentage of success with cold approaches, I would have to say x22 is the optimal choice. x22 is known to help do part of the opening for you, you're much less likely to get shut out if you have it on. You still have to do the rest of it yourself though. Also, please remember that mones work different for everyone though, so no guarantees that x22 is going to be amazing for you, but I still think it will be.

(06-19-2012 6:49 PM)DGamer Wrote:  Best 3 social mones as far as I know are Overdose, Glace, and x22. When you say you want to raise percentage of success with cold approaches, I would have to say x22 is the optimal choice. x22 is known to help do part of the opening for you, you're much less likely to get shut out if you have it on. You still have to do the rest of it yourself though. Also, please remember that mones work different for everyone though, so no guarantees that x22 is going to be amazing for you, but I still think it will be.

Awesome DGamer, will definitely do experimental cold approaches with x22, Glacé, Overdose, and ultimately combos therein and report my findings. I'm no expert on cold approach, and would describe my cold approach skills as mediocre at best, but like all things in life, I'll surely get better with practice. At the very least, mones should give me that extra push to at least practice more and therefore improve my game.

BTW, I'm wondering if throwing in 4x of Liquid Trust on the shirt might also be helpful? In my experience, the first 45 seconds of the cold approach is the hardest (along with having the balls to approach in the first place) because you're initial objective is to get her to drop whatever she was previously focused on and have a conversation with you. Once I get that initial conversational commitment from her, then I have a lot of confidence in my conversational skills from there.

(06-19-2012 6:58 PM)Iceali Wrote:  Awesome DGamer, will definitely do experimental cold approaches with x22, Glacé, Overdose, and ultimately combos therein and report my findings. I'm no expert on cold approach, and would describe my cold approach skills as mediocre at best, but like all things in life, I'll surely get better with practice. At the very least, mones should give me that extra push to at least practice more and therefore improve my game.

BTW, I'm wondering if throwing in 4x of Liquid Trust on the shirt might also be helpful? In my experience, the first 45 seconds of the cold approach is the hardest (along with having the balls to approach in the first place) because you're initial objective is to get her to drop whatever she was previously focused on and have a conversation with you. Once I get that initial conversational commitment from her, then I have a lot of confidence in my conversational skills from there.

If you're talking about combos within those 3, Thundr has already had success with a comboing of OD and X22 (as well as some other stuff), check out his journal, he's got a great entertaining writing style and great game. Others (thundr might be included) have used glace+x22 with success. Though I've yet to see a report with Glace and Overdose together (I can't do it since Glace doesn't work with me). Yeah practice makes perfect, and I love how all of us on this forum have a desire to improve ourselves.

Tbh, I don't know much on Liquid Trust, it might help, it might not; much of pheromone science now is really just experimentation, so just try it and see how it goes. My feeling is that the best thing to get her to have a conversation with you is x22, mix it with something else if you want. (some things don't mix well either, so don't be surprised if a mix fails)