(04-19-2012 3:45 PM)EmmaStone Wrote:  @idontknow: what's the difference between Androstenone and Androstadienone?

Androstadienone : Makes girls relax, feel good, be at ease. Also seems to be somewhat sexual.
Guys seem to stay away from you, Pago calls it "Fukushima-Effect". Many guys get somewhat depressed by wearing it.

Androstenone: Makes you come over as more aggressive/dominant. And like dexter explained, LORDOSIS

how about Androstenone vs AndrostAnone? i've read about it, but i'd like to hear what you guys personally experienced.

(04-19-2012 3:45 PM)EmmaStone Wrote:  What's the difference between True Jerk and Instant Jerk? What do you mean by "that kind of action," too?

@idontknow: what's the difference between Androstenone and Androstadienone?

True Jerk is from True Pheromones and Instant Jerk is from Androtics.

"That kind of action" is bar fights and other sports.

Wow, this is an old thread for sure, but I guess I can weigh in on it as far as my thoughts with none go. There is a lot of fantastic insight and thoughts already posted here and I agree with most of it for sure. I think None can be an older guys friend and a younger guys friend or enemy, depending on if he is hunting a cougar or trying to stay safely in the lioness part of the jungle.

And there is no doubt that it truly effects women that are still in their child bearing ability years WAY harder when they are ovulating for sure, although I do think those effects can be tempered a bit depending on which method of birth control they are using. Women beyond those years can get hard from none, but you wont see Lordosis, had to laugh at that one, from them.

I think also as far as the aggressive side of it goes, I think it depends on your natural and normal attitude and projection. I have worn A LOT of none on many occasions and have never seen any aggressive attitude towards me what so ever. I have probably worn well over 150 mg of it one evening and did not see that. Long story, to much alcohol and mixed up my to go bottles and instead of reapplying Glace and AM 3 to 1 ration, I was spraying myself with Instant Jerk, AMMO and cover scent equal amounts. But, I tend to be pretty laid back and confident in attitude and just not someone that is up, hostile, in your face about things or just in general. I tend to be more sit back, cool and collected and know that if needed I can act and I can floor someone pretty easily and I think that comes across in my attitude and projection. So if you are someone that tends to be more knee jerk reactionary, more aggressive in your thoughts and actions or kind of looks at things as I have to prove that I am a bad ass, then wearing more none is surely going to trigger bad and aggressive reactions from other guys. Kind of look at in a gym setting where there is one guy that comes in, shows off his half body tats, a couple of piercings, shows off a few manual arts moves prior to laying down on the bench, presses 250 and then peacocks over to the squat rack. Yes, he might have an air of bad ass to him and he takes the attitude that he is and wants everyone to know it. Then you have that kind of reserve guy that quietly goes about his business, lays down on the bench and puts 450 up ten times and then walks over to the squat rack. One is trying to project that he is not to be messed with, the other one doesn't try to project anything, but you KNOW not to mess with him. The first one wearing heavy None is going to spark all kinds of negative and aggressive behavior from guys, the second one, not so much.

I definitely see a HUGE benefit to me with None products and do buffer them, but it is definitely a pheromone that I see a huge upside too and a huge benefit from.

I seldom have an aggressive behavior or anything but I'm not gonna wear IJ to a bar setting again. It draws aggression to me and that's that.
With other none products I haven't had that kind of adverse effect even with OD, just avoidance or ghosting.

IJ is fun in daytime surroundings though. In order for other guys to lose inhibition and do these aggressive things alcohol is needed. Of course it probably didn't help much when I added P83 to the IJ either.

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Thought I'd jump in and add a female perspective.

A few pages ago (page 3, I believe), QTips talked about the AGE of women having an effect on their -None responsiveness. Women under 25, he said, responded great. Older women, not so much or hit and miss at best.

QTips:

Quote: "I am 38 and often looked upon as a kind and nice person. Sometimes too kind. When using none i mostly just attracted women bellow age of 25. Some times even teenagers. It have been a few occasion where this became a problem. After all, there is a limit on how young i would like my women to be. ...

Absolutely every women bellow 25, who i seen regular reacted positive to the none. But in various degrees. It was also very unpredictable. Sometimes a woman would look to be so turned on that she would stand ready to rape me. Other times she would suddently avoid me for almost a week. After a while, i could see a few cases where i found out that the woman avoiding me had the period. I think a woman responding depends on the womans menstrual cyclus. i also think wether she is using the pills or not, is of matter."

I started using pheromones several years ago (God, I can't believe how long ago it was actually...) and I was in my early 20's at the time. Now, I'm in my mid-late twenties, and my responsiveness to -None and to -Androsterone has *distinctly* changed as I have aged.

When I was in my early 20's, *I* *LOVED* *-None*. I sprayed Turn Up The Heat and straight -None on my pillow at night and huffed the -None all night long. Loved it. I was attracted to -None heavy mixes and (seemingly) "natural -none heavy" men. I was not on Birth Control pills and this responsiveness to -None was consistent throughout my cycle. On my period or off, I LOVED huffing -None.

At the same time, *I* *HATED* *-Androsterone*. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaated -Androsterone. Had distinct physical reactions to it. I had an instant migraine as soon as I was exposed to it, got physically sick, and whenever I tried to wear it, I was looked down upon and condescended to. it was "Instant Condescension," whether in a mix or on it's own. In fact, when I used -Androsterone near my period, I hated it even *more.*

Fast forward to now, my later twenties. Still no BC pills and I've just peaked my cycle.

I still love -None. I sprayed my pillow the other night and spent the night huffing and deep breathing, trying to get more of the good stuff. The next day, I couldn't tell where I had sprayed it.

Inadvertently, I sprayed some -Androsterone on me a few days later. Whoops! I didn't even know what it was until later on. And, when I found out what I had sprayed, I was honestly surprised! I didn't have the violently ill reactions that I had had before. I didn't even have a headache. No one was treating me with condescension and disrespect. I was 'noticed' a bit more, but nothing really extreme at all. Almost a non-reaction between others and me. I'll have to look for self effects next time more closely, but I didn't see anything other than a sort of mild satisfaction and contentment. Very different from before!!

I think QTip is on to something with the aging aspect of -None responsiveness in women. I still love -None, probably the same amount now (later 20's) as my earlier years (early 20's), and there was never an impact from my cycle on my responsiveness. However, my responsiveness to -Androsterone has dramatically changed. I'm wondering if I'm "aging into" -Androsterone? By the same logic, could I "age out" of my love of -None? Is my attraction to -None based on my youth and fertility?

Anyway, just thought I'd chime in! Thanks!

i don't understand, i thought younger girls were more easily intimidated by none, while cougars are easily attracted by none?

i also remember chris saying somewhere that -Androsterone gets the younger girls...

That's what I thought too.

(04-26-2012 8:59 AM)kentdave Wrote:  i don't understand, i thought younger girls were more easily intimidated by none, while cougars are easily attracted by none?

i also remember chris saying somewhere that -Androsterone gets the younger girls...

I've always been odd.

Honestly, I can't explain it. But, for me, this is definitely verified, repeated fact. I love -none. Have loved it, still love it.

I've been wearing a mix that actually has some -none in it (small bits, for an edge), and I think I got high last night. Alpha Androstenol, cops, -none, and I was as happy as happy could be. (And I was a magnet for attention.)

Maybe it's personality? I'm - to use the AD lingo - a TAL girl to the max. I like my men hard, strong, and full of male. Maybe it's psychological? I'm a commitment-phobe and like my men emotionally uninvolved, for the most part. Maybe it's biochemical? I could just be an odd duck.

(04-26-2012 9:45 AM)Apple Wrote:  I've always been odd.

Honestly, I can't explain it. But, for me, this is definitely verified, repeated fact. I love -none. Have loved it, still love it.

I've been wearing a mix that actually has some -none in it (small bits, for an edge), and I think I got high last night. Alpha Androstenol, cops, -none, and I was as happy as happy could be. (And I was a magnet for attention.)

Maybe it's personality? I'm - to use the AD lingo - a TAL girl to the max. I like my men hard, strong, and full of male. Maybe it's psychological? I'm a commitment-phobe and like my men emotionally uninvolved, for the most part. Maybe it's biochemical? I could just be an odd duck.

Thanks for your insight. Its great to hear a womans perspective.


I would look more at your family dynamics growing up. Women who grew up without fathers hit puberty earlier and are more likely to be sexually active at a younger age.

A strong father presence could establish an association with Androsterone but the age of the father and his natural phero signature would also be a factor in a girls preference.

I would guess that your father was either not around much when you were growing up. He might have been a father at a younger age as well. These are guesses and i could be completely wrong.

I am curious what your family background was and if it would support my guesses.