I've been reading up a ton while waiting on my AV and Glace to arrive.

One of the things I've noticed is that I go thru stretches where I have a lot of the symptons of Androstadienone depression from time to time without any exposure to external 'mones. Some of the descriptions were down right spooky in their accuracy to some of my moods.

This led me to think maybe my own production out of whack? Maybe all this pheromone jazz is similar to nutrient supplementation? I.E. some people get solid results from certain supplements because they're deficient in that supplement. (Vitamin D is a common one. In The 4 Hour Body Tim Ferris saw a siginificant testosterone boost after adding selenium to his diet once he saw he was deficient thru blood tests.)

I'd imagine that one's own phero production would be so volatile and circumstance specific that it would be much harder to test for than nutritional deficiencies. But I think it explains why sweet spot testing is so important, and the wide variety of results among people.

Sorry for rambling. Just getting bored, reading and thinking a lot until I get my first shipments.

I have had similar thoughts..
But I feel I will need to experiment for a few more months before I decide on such a model.
I think there is something there, but somewhat more complex.

Did you read dbot's considerations on Androstadienone ?

(07-21-2012 11:39 AM)lostlibra74 Wrote:  I've been reading up a ton while waiting on my AV and Glace to arrive.

One of the things I've noticed is that I go thru stretches where I have a lot of the symptons of Androstadienone depression from time to time without any exposure to external 'mones. Some of the descriptions were down right spooky in their accuracy to some of my moods.

This led me to think maybe my own production out of whack? Maybe all this pheromone jazz is similar to nutrient supplementation? I.E. some people get solid results from certain supplements because they're deficient in that supplement. (Vitamin D is a common one. In The 4 Hour Body Tim Ferris saw a siginificant testosterone boost after adding selenium to his diet once he saw he was deficient thru blood tests.)

I'd imagine that one's own phero production would be so volatile and circumstance specific that it would be much harder to test for than nutritional deficiencies. But I think it explains why sweet spot testing is so important, and the wide variety of results among people.

Sorry for rambling. Just getting bored, reading and thinking a lot until I get my first shipments.

Do you live with a man/men? As in roommates? Androstadienone is given off by al;pha males during sleep. If so you could be exposed to more than you think.

(07-21-2012 4:05 PM)halo0073 Wrote:  Do you live with a man/men? As in roommates? Androstadienone is given off by al;pha males during sleep. If so you could be exposed to more than you think.

live alone. but have had lots of sleep issues that only recently got sorted out. I could be way off base. who knows. I was just struck by the similarity between some of the reports of adverse reactions and how I've felt, without knowingly being exposed to any external mones.

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(07-21-2012 3:37 PM)20 Franc Wrote:  I have had similar thoughts..
But I feel I will need to experiment for a few more months before I decide on such a model.
I think there is something there, but somewhat more complex.

Did you read dbot's considerations on Androstadienone ?

hahaha maybe? I've read so much in the last few days that I can't keep track. I did read one specific thread on it, but once I had the 'aha' moment with regards to the symptoms my ADD took me away from it to post this thread.

I can't say much about the self-effects of pheromones, because up to now I have only had extremely mild ones if any. And even in these cases, I'm not sure if those were real or just the placebo effect.

I do however agree that finding the sweet spot is something everyone has to do for himself, because it works "around" the person's own pheromones.

Example:
Both men and women are very chatty around me (I get a lot of "true confessions"), I am mostly seen as friendly and I can touch women without them feeling uncomfortable. At the same time I don't give off much of a sexual vibe, meening, girls and women like talking to me but very rarely want to go to bed with me. I am guessing that this is also because of my own pheromone mix. As a result, I can get away with quite an alpha-blast out of the bottle without making the people around me feel bad. I once put on six drops of AV and three or four drops of Dirty Primitive. Normally, that pretty much flattens everybody. In my case, it was fine, possibly because my own pheromones "buffered" the alpha vibe.

Regards,
Chris