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Thinning Hair / Balding
10-08-2012 9:48 AM

Hi guys!

Past few months I found out that I was having thinning hair. And then today I took a picture of my head and I think I am really balding. I don't know if it has got to do with the pheromone usage but the rate I am losing my hair is quite bad.
I am somehow suspecting a teeny bit of it has got to do with the mones.

Mones aside, anyone fighting MPB can give me advice on what to do?
A quick search through the Internet gives me stuffs like Propecia(Finasteride) or Minoxidil (Rogaine). However, I am trying to find a more natural solution rather than taking these pills.

Oh yeah if it matters, I am a 22 year old Asian.
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10-08-2012 10:21 AM

Sorry to hear about your hair loss problems. unfortunately there's not much you can do about it except for a hair transplant, taking propecia (be aware of the side effects though) and rogain (again, side effects)

The good news though is that are lots of new technologies on the horizon in the testing phase right now and are waiting for FDA approval.

Look up the company Histogen, Replicel and Anderans...they are all in Phase I and II of testing and should be out on the market within 2 - 5 years. IF they pan out then it will be the closes thing to a cure
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10-08-2012 10:32 AM

Say no to propecia.

Propecia has been connected to loss of libido and to impotence. These side effects do not dissipate when the medication is halted.

Link says permanent...

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/247858.php


It is possible that mones are connected. Your natural hormone balance has changed.

***too many mones***
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10-08-2012 10:41 AM

Hair thinning/MPB could be an indicator of rising levels of DHT. I hear progesterone can help block the effects of DHT but, I would suggest you get your bloodwork done to check your hormones before you listen to the advice of strangers on the internet.

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10-08-2012 10:49 AM

Btw Arrowtotheknee, i forgot to mention, go to your local drug store and buy some Nizoral shampoo. Studies show that is inhibits DHT in the scalp. DHT is the main cause of hair loss. You can get nizoral in the %1 or %2 form (depending on what country you live in) But don't use the shampoo more than twice a week as it's a very strong medicine. Its active medical ingredient is ketoconazole and too much can cause liver problems because your body absorbs what you put on it... and it could make your hair very dry and brittle if you use too much. Nizoral can MAYBE slow down your hair loss until something better comes along.

I agree with paradigm... go to propeciahelp.com and you'll think twice about propecia. But that's your choice. I know propecia works for some people but at what cost.
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10-08-2012 12:30 PM

Hey Arrow,

Sorry to hear about your current dilemma. I too am a fellow Asian (age 40) engaged in the battle of the receding hairline for going on 8 years now. Trust me, if you THINK you're losing hair, you very likely ARE. Don't bother asking your hairstylist if she thinks you're losing up top; for some reason it's like one of the 10 Commandments of hairstyling to lie when asked about this. "Thou shalt not tell your client his hair is thinning." If you start seeing more hair in the shower drain, that's all you need to know.

In the beginning, I tried all the creams, pills, lotions and hair formulas that I could research and find on Google. I read all the "review" sites, the vast majority of which were and still are to this day, glorified money extracting landing pages. Trolled the most popular forums as well. I've never touched the more pharmaceutical solutions (Rogaine, Propecia, etc.), because I'm not too crazy about potential unintended side effects. Also, the vast majority of druglike solutions fail to address MPB in the frontal crown region, which is where I'm battling.

There are literally hundreds of "solutions." And it is an endless maze. And my takeaway from this 8 year fight is quite simply "old tricks are the best tricks." Without further ado:

1)Polysorbate 80. I know, you, like most guys battling hairloss are like "Polysorbate what?" Without going into details, read this: http://www.polysorbate.info/ I use this every day, prior to showering. I just apply the oil onto my scalp and let it soak in for 10 minutes before shampooing it out. Totally eliminates the itchy, inflammation type of feeling in your scalp and hair. The first time you use it, you realize how clean and light your hair feels after washing it out. Polysorbate 80 is used in all kinds of things, even ice cream. Despite this, there are sites devoted to throwing this product under the bus. This product has been on the market since the the 80's, and yet very few people have heard of it. Luckily, there is a nat'l retailer that's been carrying this product for eons: Vitamin World. You can grab a bottle on their website for like $8. Super cheap, and lasts a long time. For a product like this to have survived for decades underneath the radar should tell you something.
2)Emu Oil. Closest thing to a miracle product that I've ever tried, and mainly NOT due to it's hair promoting abilities. The ultimate sore muscle, achy joint pain reliever that I've ever tried. And no menthol stink, no greasiness, etc. As a hairloss product, emu oil is one of the very few substances that seems to aid in frontal crown regrowth, which is what I'm all about. Unfortunately, emu oil is NOT cheap, it's something like $300-500 per gallon. Not that you'd be buying it by the gallon, but you get the point. Luckily, there is a emu product sold at national retail locations (Kroger, CVS, Rite Aid, etc) that is marketed as a pain reliever: Blue Emu. In addition to emu oil, it contains other pro hair substances that just also happen to double as pain relievers, like MSM. I'm paying like $15 for about a months supply. In addition to knocking out my sore knees for up to 12 hours at a time, I use it in my thinning areas up top. And I believe it's been working. Just as a pre and post workout muscle and joint pain reliever alone, it's worth it's weight in gold. Truly incredible product, man.
3)MSM. Good old fashioned MSM. Been around for ages. I first bought this 15 years ago to combat springtime allergies, for which it has been effective. But one of it's "side effects" is that it strengthens and accelerates hair growth, unfortunately not just up top, but all over. 1000 mg every four hours is good. Very non-toxic; you could use tons of it if you're into diminishing returns and flushing your money down the toilet for no reason.
4)Biotin. 5000 mg, once a day.
5)Krill Oil. 1000-2000 mg a day.
6)Beta Sitosterol. To combat DHT, lower bad cholesterol and keep prostate problems at bay (DHT related).

This is my CORE. As new treatments and possible solutions arise, I look into them, but #1-6 remains a constant for me. I think right now, ecklonia cava (aka Seanol) is the latest flash in the pan. I tried it and wasn't impressed. If you buy online, I would suggest iherb.com as your main one stop shop; they seemingly have everything (minus the Polysorbate 80 product that I refer to and Blue Emu, though they have tons of pure emu oil products; you can go that route too), and they're pricing is practically the best I've seen on the net. They ship fast.

Listen, I'm no doctor, and I make no medical claims. All I can do is tell you, based on the last 8 years of relentless pursuit what I've found that works the best for me. Like I said, I've tried all kinds of pills, creams, lotions, herbals, heck I've even used a laser comb and this is what has stood the test of time when the dust finally settled.

Two websites I wish had discovered earlier:
http://www.immortalhair.org/
Check the My Current Regimen tab.
http://www.hairloss-research.org/index.html
Check the Updated/News tab.

If I could go back in time 8 years, these are the products I would tell myself to use right from the beginning. I believe it would've made a big difference.
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RE: Thinning Hair / Balding
10-08-2012 10:50 PM

Hey Dafixisin,

Cool suggestions there. A few I hadn't heard of and will try myself, like the emu oil. Incidentally, beta-sitosterol doesn't seem to help with enlarged prostate. Even though it blocks the conversion of Testosterone -> DHT it doesn't seem to penetrate the prostate. There was a recent fairly large study on the topic.

OP:
As for things to help with hair loss naturally... the best low-side effect way to deal with hair loss is to raise SHBG. Do this by reducing calorie intake relative to nutrient intake (like with green veggie juicing or eating lots of green vegetables), aerobic exercise and cutting down on your fat and calorie intake. As the Japanese got access to better nutrition and more calories their size (height and weight) increased and their hair loss also increased.

SHBG binds to T so it's not floating free unless you need it so it's less likely to be converted to DHT. All the benefits of Testosterone, none of the nasty hair loss. Stress can also lower SHBG. (and hair loss causes stress. How's that for a viscious cycle?)

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10-10-2012 12:11 PM

Thanks for the input guys!

I have decided to follow some of dafixisin advice. Has gotten myself some Emu Oil off Iherb.
I have already been taking Biotin and MSM through this supplement called Maxi-Hair so 3/4 should be covered.
As for Krill oil, I have been taking fish oil (around 3000-4000mg daily). I hope that is good enough.

Have also dropped by one of the pharmacy near my house to get the Nizoral shampoo.
Will be cycling this shampoo with the Avalon Biotin Shampoo from Iherb which I had gotten last month.

Will stick to this regime for now.
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