The word of the moment is "Alpha".
Everybody needs to the alpha, if your not the alpha you should do whatever to become the alpha. And then other will submit to you.

Really? What a load of BS.
I think the whole alpha business is just that. Good business for PUA and pheromone vendors and fitness products.

But really, WTF is Alpha?
The "alpha male" like in the animal world who gets to mate with the females?
Guess what the females do when hes not looking... or when they see a male from a different heard and hes not there?
So that the alpha gets all the females is a myth, and for humans much less applicable than the animal world.

So what is alpha? What does it mean?
Well in reality human life has so many different aspects that we have countless different alphas, and they are alpha in many ways.
Who are they?
Often they can be the top 5% in their field.
You can be the mach hero who is alpha in your gym cause you use bench press trucks and use SUVs as dumbells and a women like musicians/artists then your gym alpha status means nothing.
If a women likes the good life and is high maintenance ans spoilt, you can be gym master, music master, painter etc but the dude who says "Im going cruising in my Azimut 60 this weekend, you should come along. Look here is a pic" the other alphas will get flaked on.
But if she likes gym dudes, then gymbo is in luck.

So what does alpha mean? A shitload of different things to many people.
Some women even like the hapless poor fellow, the bum musician/painter/writer they feel sorry for. For them he is the alpha, even if for the rest of the world classifies them as losers.

So how do you become an alpha?
In someone elses world you can only become alpha if your in the top 5-10%.
You dont waltz in and say "i am alpha", you have to go through the motions and prove yourself until the other give you the status. Which may take a long long time.

But there is another way.
You can be alpha in your own world, which means you have to create your own world to be alpha in.
Again it is a small % of the population that has a real entrepreneurial mind, but they create their own world with them at the top.
They do not "submit" to any other alpha, the dont need to give a shit about any other alpha. They have their own world/life of which they are chief in command.
Notice how every PUA book/course always repeats "you must have your own life, passions, goals etc".
You are then the king alpha of your own world, you make your own plans, your own decisions, you live your life according to your own paradigm.
And this is what women are attracted to. A man doing his own thing, his way. And of course it also earns the respect of other males who see themselves at the bottom of a never ending ladder.
Women on this board if your reading please correct me if i am wrong.

And thats what the bum musician does. He doesnt give a hoot about anything other than playing bad music, writing bad songs and blames the rest of the world for not recognizing his shitty talent.
But a few hot chicks will think of him as an unrecognized talent and will cling on to him as if he were Bill Clinton before he was president so they too can bask in his soon to be glory by association.
Or they will be just mesmerized by the fact that their is no other world or existence other than his own where they are just mere orbiters hoping for a little attention now and then.
Other guys will also marvel at this guy who never had a job, does nothing all day and girls follow him around while has to go home and get nagged for not putting the toilet seat up.

Plan B aint no walk in the park either, but there is another way.
Actually there are an infinite number of ways limited only by imagination & inspiration to create your own kingdom.
Good luck.

Preach.

One of the hardest things for me to do is realizing in my bones that I can't be everything to everyone. You can't meet all the contradictory social demands in this world simultaneously. And this is increasingly true the more different social worlds you become embedded in. So you have to figure out what character you like the best and work on writing a winning script for that character that works in all the different lives you lead. Anything less and you end up having your script written for you.

No matter what kind of frame you build, somebody will want to shit on it. So you have to build one that you like and believe in enough to not mind cleaning a little shit off it from time to time.

Nominated.

Very interesting thoughts for sure. There has been so much made of Alpha verses Beta personalities in the past decade or so for sure and I think it really took off in the corporate structure, then was just amplified in the PUA circles. I remember some seminars that used the picture of a lead sled dog as the course moniker, with the thought that if you are not the lead sled dog, your view is not a very good one LOL.

I think we all have a little bit of both alpha and beta inside of us, although one generally tends to be our predominant personality type. Even within the Alpha nature there can be several different types of Alpha attitudes and projections from the Van Diesal in your face Alpha, to the Sean Connery or Roger Moore James Bond cool yet dangerous Alpha, to the Hugh Heffner, money, fame and status alpha to the Gentleman Alpha, someone who has the air, has the confidence, yet also has the soft and protective side to women, to the laid back and comfy comedian type that is Alpha in his ability to just create humor around him and make anyone and everyone smile or laugh. Alpha does not have to mean Roid Rage, gonna whip some ass bad boy kind of thing at all.

I think when dealing with women, what each one truly wants in her "Alpha pursuit" can be completely different than her best friend and different from the other girls sitting with her. Some want that true bad boy image, others are looking for that suave and sophisticated gentleman, others still that confident VIP but laid back type and others still the guy that can make them laugh and smile. There is no way in hell we can be all of those at once, or even pull off being able to move back and forth between those states of "Alpha" to fit the woman we are talking to or have opened if trying to secure a date or pick up.

I have come to the conclusion over time to just be who I am and realize that it does not work for everyone, but it is a hell of a lot easier to pull off for the ones that it does, as I do not have to be anyone else, but me. Finding your personality and then enhancing it with pheromones, clothing, game, NLP or what ever else you choose to do is what will magnify who you are and allow an easier transition for those women that like your type to feel open and willing to move forward into what ever else comes along.

I really admire some that do work on day game or honest and upfront approach to women, just going up and basically saying I can see us having sex this afternoon, what does that sound like to you LOL. Granted, that is just not in my style to do, but it takes nauticals and you can never be said that you led anyone on. I am very open and honest with any woman that I meet, talk to, or ask out or what ever and they all know where I stand, although it usually does not come into discussion until on a date or in a one on one situation, and at that point, I feel pretty confident on she is someone that I would enjoy seeing and if I feel that the feelings are mutual. The last thing I want to do is come home and find a rabbit boiling on my stove top, or a stalker from hell because they felt like I played them, or had buyers remorse and went on a man hating evil she woman stalking spree just to make my life on earth miserable LOL.

Interesting thoughts for sure, I guess everyone has their own vibe for sure.






Honestly I think what is

Sometimes it is Alpha to be Beta...and other times it is Beta to be Alpha...

Depending on the situation.

I feel ya man...too much hype over alpha vs. beta.

I'll field this one and try to elaborate some. Its a bit lengthy but I think it makes a good case that anyone can be alpha regardless of pheromones or excellence. Its in your head to be alpha. Find it. Pheroman made some great points and I suspect where this came from.

My personal opinion is there are alot of misconceptions of alpha that have been generated by social media and big businesses. We are led to believe the most macho, most muscle, most athletic, most beautiful, most curvaceous, most wealthy are alphas. In some crude way they are somewhat correct but not entirely. There are alot of books and shit about this but I think its best to come from your heart than some regurgitated media puke. Alpha is subjective and everchanging in every situation.

To me alpha, beta, omega are just a characteristic adjectives of mindset. Anyone can be an alpha. I guess what I'm trying to say is they are the one who works the hardest to capitalize on talents while recognizing and minimizing weakness in a given situation. Humans are gregarious creatures, pack-like, and we are too complex to be bound by labels from the animal kingdom. But keep in mind we are still animals that think we are better than other animals. So some merit of social dynamic labeling still apply.

Pheroman explained this subject well. The alpha is often the top elite in their field, but when subjected to another field or situation they become beta if another alpha dominates that new situation moreso. There can be multiple alphas but usually only one per situation. Guess what, Johnny Tolerance over there is alpha of the keg. Big Bruce is the alpha of strength. Titty Tina is the alpha of curves and so on.

I'm not much into bowling but it may make a decent example. You can go bowling. If in your crew some guy there is rolling 190 to your 90, he is alpha.. at bowling. Your beta status here does not diminish who you are anywhere else outside of the bowling lanes and this does not mean hes gonna get all the girls, just the ones that like good bowlers. If you want to be alpha bowler for whatever reason learn how to bowl in your spare time. Next time your crew goes bowling you start putting up 150 to his 190. Sometimes the improvement alone can revoke his alpha status and make him beta as the girls who like bowlers dig your improvement. Rest assured if he was comfy being bowler alpha he will do the same as you did and practice. Don't be surprised when he shows up next time putting up 220 to regain his status. Everchanging.

I believe the alpha is the person who can adapt the best in any given situation and show the greatest stoicism under pressure. You are that fireman's beta who just put out your burning house. Situational. He is your beta when you rehabilitate his painful ACL tear.

I also believe the desire to be alpha is a byproduct of your youth. I've always considered myself "alpha." Not bc I say I am but bc I know I am. I am not a prince by birth, I am a king by choice. Call it arrogance or confidence I dont really care. I HAD to be alpha and for some reason it stayed with me. I'm going to use myself as an example bc I know that guy the best and not that anyone cares but a small portion of my why..

Ma left dad when I was 3. I am an only child. We were very poor and she worked her ass off. I had to become son and dad. Not some oedipus complex stuff but I had to assume man role early on instead of child. When dad had custody he took me to bars at like 7 yrs old. What does a child do at a bar that young besides drink yoohoo on a stool? He observes. I learned the quiet guy is the usually toughest not the loudest or biggest. Quiet confidence. The alpha of pool was the best pool player. The alpha of drinking drank most etc etc. Oddly my father assumed most of these roles. I learned in order to be the guy everyone respects you have to outshine them all by being most rounded, not necessarily best. I took on this mentality.
Dad was sports. Ma was intellect. Both pushed me hard. I never fit in bc I was too smart for the jocks but too athletic for nerds. Eventually this made me stand out as I pushed to be best to appeal to my parents. Instead of withdrawing I played to my strengths.

For some reason I have to either be alpha or align with alpha bc that's what I am used to. I am usually the first to do what no one can or wants to do bc I am conditioned that way regardless of my failure or success. Alpha.

I think the Japanese samurai should be noted as the first alphas by choice. They cultivated pursuit of excellence in all areas. They did not just swordfight. They learned poetry, origami, sewing. They realized you were only as strong as your worst weakness.

If you made it this far I applaud you. haha. I hope it gives an understanding that unless you are willing to sheep it out and submit, everyone has the ability to be an alpha in a given situation. It just takes work. I posted about taking over the alpha in the room and acquiring his or her betas. Well in my personal experience that has been true. Thats just me and what I am used to so I do it subconsciously. I know exactly who I am and I am most comfy being alpha or aligned with other alphas and take or share the betas willing to be submissive in that situation. My opinion and I dont expect everyone to share it. Oh well.

(04-16-2012 9:22 AM)Pheroman Wrote:  The word of the moment is "Alpha".
Everybody needs to the alpha, if your not the alpha you should do whatever to become the alpha. And then other will submit to you.

Really? What a load of BS.
I think the whole alpha business is just that. Good business for PUA and pheromone vendors and fitness products.

But really, WTF is Alpha?
The "alpha male" like in the animal world who gets to mate with the females?
Guess what the females do when hes not looking... or when they see a male from a different heard and hes not there?
So that the alpha gets all the females is a myth, and for humans much less applicable than the animal world.

So what is alpha? What does it mean?
Well in reality human life has so many different aspects that we have countless different alphas, and they are alpha in many ways.
Who are they?
Often they can be the top 5% in their field.
You can be the mach hero who is alpha in your gym cause you use bench press trucks and use SUVs as dumbells and a women like musicians/artists then your gym alpha status means nothing.
If a women likes the good life and is high maintenance ans spoilt, you can be gym master, music master, painter etc but the dude who says "Im going cruising in my Azimut 60 this weekend, you should come along. Look here is a pic" the other alphas will get flaked on.
But if she likes gym dudes, then gymbo is in luck.

So what does alpha mean? A shitload of different things to many people.
Some women even like the hapless poor fellow, the bum musician/painter/writer they feel sorry for. For them he is the alpha, even if for the rest of the world classifies them as losers.

So how do you become an alpha?
In someone elses world you can only become alpha if your in the top 5-10%.
You dont waltz in and say "i am alpha", you have to go through the motions and prove yourself until the other give you the status. Which may take a long long time.

But there is another way.
You can be alpha in your own world, which means you have to create your own world to be alpha in.
Again it is a small % of the population that has a real entrepreneurial mind, but they create their own world with them at the top.
They do not "submit" to any other alpha, the dont need to give a shit about any other alpha. They have their own world/life of which they are chief in command.
Notice how every PUA book/course always repeats "you must have your own life, passions, goals etc".
You are then the king alpha of your own world, you make your own plans, your own decisions, you live your life according to your own paradigm.
And this is what women are attracted to. A man doing his own thing, his way. And of course it also earns the respect of other males who see themselves at the bottom of a never ending ladder.
Women on this board if your reading please correct me if i am wrong.

And thats what the bum musician does. He doesnt give a hoot about anything other than playing bad music, writing bad songs and blames the rest of the world for not recognizing his shitty talent.
But a few hot chicks will think of him as an unrecognized talent and will cling on to him as if he were Bill Clinton before he was president so they too can bask in his soon to be glory by association.
Or they will be just mesmerized by the fact that their is no other world or existence other than his own where they are just mere orbiters hoping for a little attention now and then.
Other guys will also marvel at this guy who never had a job, does nothing all day and girls follow him around while has to go home and get nagged for not putting the toilet seat up.

Plan B aint no walk in the park either, but there is another way.
Actually there are an infinite number of ways limited only by imagination & inspiration to create your own kingdom.
Good luck.

So true Pheroman,

Repped and nominated!


I'm no way your stereo-typical alpha male. Im short, skinny, average looking, soft spoking, a loner, metro-sexual, and sickly. However I have my own little universe where I'm important and I get to visit and live in all type of exotic destinations and get paid a lot of money to do it.

So essentially Im a rolling stone or global nomad. This appeals to women who have a thirst for different cultures and a hatred for the mundane life. Those type of women who are romanced by those novels about foreign travel and the life style that goes with it.

These women tend to be models who live the same lifestyle. The drawback was these women tend to not want to have children which I wanted. So instead of going for those women who were in awe of me I went out of my kingdom going for the girls next door types. But this has only lead to getting a divorce and costing me over 1.3mil in the process.

I was travelling about 10 months out of the year this is not conducive to the type of woman I was going for and is not good for a family. Now I'm like fuck that. I'm going back to my kingdom since I have found out the other side of the fence sucks for me. I finally learned the hard way that the life I had was the life that fits my personality.

Now I'm at peace with myself and my own world.

This was not an overnight thought, every time i read the "are you alpha?" in those PUA/manosphere blogs i cringe. Wanna be alpha.. do this, wanna be alpha.. say that.
Sure it will get results, and so does "Do you wanna fuck?" in a bar/club full of drunk chiks.
Yet they really have no definition of what "alpha" is other than their latest blog.
ie
"alpha dont give a shit what anyone else thinks"
"to be alpha you have to change how you think"
"alphas get women to come to them"
"alpha takes the lead and asks a girl out"
"alpha is never phased over what women say or do"
"alphas put women back into line as soon as they do something"
In other words "alpha" means jackshit as far as the PUA/manosphere world is concerned.
But it does seem to be good business for them.

Alpha is about being the most comfortable guy in the room, who has fun, is relaxed, and who doesn't need women. He wants them, and he gets them, but he doesn't put too much importance on any one girl. He has an abundance mentaility.

He doesn't really care what others think about him and he has goals in life that are more important than women. He doesn't feel threatened by other guys. The women admire this. After all, he is a natural leader since he is not self concious. He has a world he can bring women into, and if they want to stay, they can, if they don't, they can leave at anytime. There are plenty of other women out there, and he knows he will meet them soon.

He is adventurous, and believes all of his new experiences serve to make himself, and those he meets, better. People often find him charming and likeable.

To be the most 'alpha' person in a room means you are the person with the strongest reality. You act and speak with such belief in yourself and the validity of your actions that others are sucked in and see things from your perspective too.

I have believed for a while now that humans have a sub concious ability to detect the strength of somebody's personal belief in themselves. During my experiments with pheromones, I have found that my own mindset is vital to success. If I use exactly the same body language, tone of voice and pheromone mix, sometimes the results are amazing and other times the results are non-existent. After many times of this happening and me wondering why, I have come to realise that no matter how good I "act" as a man with confidence and charm, it does not work if I do not genuinely believe in my mind it is true. We talk about "congruence" and go into discussions about body language, which is true. But the most vital aspect of congruence is truly, honestly believing that you're an interesting person full of worth. You can be the best actor in the world, but in my experiences, unless you have this belief, people will somehow always see through it.

Going back to the example at the gym, the biggest guy there is the alpha - this is the generalised reality our society has invented. If a real skinny chess master were to enter the gym, full of confidence in his belief that his intelligence is worth 50x the muscle mass of the 'alpha', his strong belief system would suck others into this reality, making him the alpha, or at least be seen as a rival by the muscley alpha.

In my view: Alpha = strongest reality

(04-17-2012 5:01 AM)kenpachi Wrote:  I have believed for a while now that humans have a sub concious ability to detect the strength of somebody's personal belief in themselves. During my experiments with pheromones, I have found that my own mindset is vital to success.

i believe you're on to something here. i have had times when i dress well, look decently good, and have a decent mone combo on but i hardly get hits. then there are others where i look like crap, and am not wearing mones, but i feel good/content/joy within, and i get visual hits in the streets?

for me, i find that it is the mindset that i truly don't care about getting hits, because i'm feeling good within, that i ironically get more hits. hard to replicate for actual testing, but my theory is that there is something in us that drawn to true life/vibrancy within a person, beyond what is superficially presented.