Ekscentra, I am definitely leaning toward OD. I know you mentioned to combine it with Core. I was wondering is there any samples specifically from LAL that I can get that goes with OD.

Same for Core: Any samples I should get from Apex that can go with Core and also OD.

In fact any good combinations that goes with OD that you can think would be very much appreciated.

Also I am hearing of CV3 (Core version 3) and Kore. Would these be good products along with/instead of Core to pair with OD

Its probably a little early to be thinking about branching out and am not going to at this point . However, just curious: Any other product you have tried beside OD and Api that gives the same combination of confidence status alpha social vibe that OD and Api gives

FInally could you give a rationale of pairing Core with OD ie how does OD with Core differ from OD alone. Thanks.

SXD-9 goes nicely with OD, though being another gel-based product, it takes some time to heat up. SXD-9 definitely makes me real comfortable in my skin - overall, projection aside, it's my favorite social.

As for Apex, I haven't tested much from them - better to ask thundr here, I think.

I haven't tested CV3, but it looks even more impressive than CORE. I've had no trouble combining OD with Primitive, so the Androstenone in there should be fine.

A314 boosts confidence and raises status better than anything I've tried, especially with OD (wearing this now, in fact).

CORE buffers OD without removing the edge - it adds a nice dose of attraction and lifts the mood. In terms of self-effects, it helps with approach anxiety, and anxiety in general for that matter.

Thanks really appreciate the response. By the way are you saying you are currently combining A314 with OD If so then wow that seems like serous overdose with those 2. And I will ask thundr about possible Apex combos with OD. One more combo: What do you think of OD and Cohesion, thanks.

kehawe,

I don't want to derail your thread but I do want to comment once more on the realities of congruence and self image. Products like wolf are highly regarded for positive self effects and will be much easier for you to actually utilize. A true alpha blend will more then likely give you headaches and create anxiety and irritated behavior.

(06-11-2015 9:03 PM)kehawe Wrote:  Thanks really appreciate the response. By the way are you saying you are currently combining A314 with OD If so then wow that seems like serous overdose with those 2. And I will ask thundr about possible Apex combos with OD. One more combo: What do you think of OD and Cohesion, thanks.

Overdose? Certainly not. Strangely, A314 and Wolf doesn't seem to work well, but A314 + OD is a fantastic combo - I think this comes down to the fact that OD is a gel - weaker diffusion than Wolf, thus causing less problems. I'm not sure thundr has used OD - I was referring only to the other Apex products in his line.

OD and Cohesion? Sure, if you like Androstadienone - I'd keep the dose of OD low, since both contain DHEA.

On another note, I've noticed something similar with combining SXD-9 with either Bliss or CORE. Androsterone Sulfate and TAC normally pair horribly together without P75 to balance out the conflicting effects, but with SXD-9 rather than straight TAC, this never seems to be a problem. I'd pin this down to diffusion as well.

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(06-12-2015 7:57 AM)DWR Wrote:  kehawe,

I don't want to derail your thread but I do want to comment once more on the realities of congruence and self image. Products like wolf are highly regarded for positive self effects and will be much easier for you to actually utilize. A true alpha blend will more then likely give you headaches and create anxiety and irritated behavior.

Most alpha mixes are highly regarded for positive self-effects, so long as you don't OD. The reason I recommended against Wolf is due to the fact it was designed in the first place to soften up the image of someone who's already intimidating. Softening up a beta personality is just asking for trouble, IMO - for this reason, stronger alpha mixes, even APi, would be preferred. Otherwise, I'd wholeheartedly recommend Wolf.

Can someone with a true beta personality successfully handle a true alpha blend? It's not an issue I ever had too deal with but I know it's a common topic here (congruence)?

(06-12-2015 5:16 PM)DWR Wrote:  Can someone with a true beta personality successfully handle a true alpha blend? It's not an issue I ever had too deal with but I know it's a common topic here (congruence)?

I'd tend to think so, yes. No type of mix could be better for permanent transformation into an alpha personality. Weaker alpha blends will soften them up too much - Wolf just doesn't seem like a good idea, IMO.

Congruence seems to vary from mix-to-mix. A314 is a lot less depending than, for example, AV. The self-effects are easy to ride along with - it's practically effortless for me, and I expect a beta personality would only benefit more.

(06-12-2015 7:57 AM)DWR Wrote:  kehawe,

I don't want to derail your thread but I do want to comment once more on the realities of congruence and self image. Products like wolf are highly regarded for positive self effects and will be much easier for you to actually utilize. A true alpha blend will more then likely give you headaches and create anxiety and irritated behavior.

DWR you are not derailing the thread. I welcome your input as more information means I can make a more informed decision.

Even before opening this thread I was leaning toward Overdose (from what I had read on phero truth) because it seemed to check all the boxes I was looking for - confidence, alpha, status and social. When Eckcentra an experienced pheromone user also recommended it, that confirmed I was on the right track.

I was also leaning toward Wolf. However, Eckcentra explained why in his opinion it was not good for what I was looking for.
I then reread some of the Wolf thread/posts and Eckcentra was indeed right. Wolf does confer status but seemed somewhat beta in it's signature. One poster even stated that Wolf made him seem like a "boy" in the eyes of his coworkers.

However I would be lying if I did not admit that in-congruence (my beta with OD's strong alpha) does not concern me. Although, Eckcentra does not think it will be a problem based on his own personal experience.

My question if it not too much is would it be possible for you to make some recommendations of your own apart from/including Wolf and explain why you think said products would be good for my situation. Thanks.

Don't really know how alpha or beta or whatever I appear in real life, but I find A314 very easy to steer (like almost natural) with excellent self effects. There is that site where you can get it cheap and with free Turn Up The Heat but I'm not if it is the exact same product though.

On another note I have been playing around with th x22 which is essentially a social but I find it to be highly attractive, lots of ioi and even some desperate body displays. I got the hax oil pack and haven't tested m512 (I thought this was the attraction product lol ) nor c4 but if you have the coin this pack would probably cover all bases? Like I said can only speak for the x22 so far tho.

ed; c4 is the alpha oil in that pack btw.

(06-12-2015 9:50 PM)phero hacker Wrote:  Don't really know how alpha or beta or whatever I appear in real life, but I find A314 very easy to steer (like almost natural) with excellent self effects. There is that site where you can get it cheap and with free Turn Up The Heat but I'm not if it is the exact same product though.

I agree - the only reason I couldn't recommend A314 is the fact that it's out of stock. If that were not the case, it would easily replace OD (as an alpha) for me.

(Currently wearing A314, OD, and Odyssey with a bit of P103 - excellent mix!)