I hope this thread attracts the help , of what I have come to realize is a learned community. Having researched the most up to date top 5 to 10 Mones . At the top of the collective lists are core and xist .

Broadly speaking cores attributes seem to Include Initial attraction , as well as enhancing one's own signature and that of other mones it is paired with. Whilst xist has the effect primarily of resetting a woman's existing perception of you.

It would appear that in combining these on an on going basis , I could both enhance my chances with 'new' women as well as cause women with whom I have an existing relationship to 're evaluate , without constantly having to second guess when I need to wear a particular mone, for a particular occasion, I.e I could just pair these 2 up all the time and cover all bases. I Can't find any reports which might suggest this has been tried, am I missing something ? Can anyone enlighten me.

Hope this generates an educational response, thanks guys.

You can't predict how two products will work together.

Sure, Core is famous for hitting fast and hard without being overly sexual. XiSt has a large following and people have reported that it enhances how people perceive you. But it is hard to predict if these products will work this way for you based on the way you already are.

Also if you combine these two products, there may be overlap in some molecules and each product will bring other molecules to the table. But you will have a whole new set of molecules and ratios so it will be very difficult if not impossible to predict how these products will work together. The combo may have characteristics that neither product has when each product is run solo. It may be a great combo for you. In may suck for you. Who knows?

Try both of them out solo and then together. It is possible that one of these products will be better for you solo than both together. Sometimes a more simple signature is better than a more complex signature.

(05-27-2015 4:47 PM)metaltree Wrote:  You can't predict how two products will work together.

Sure, Core is famous for hitting fast and hard without being overly sexual. XiSt has a large following and people have reported that it enhances how people perceive you. But it is hard to predict if these products will work this way for you based on the way you already are.

Also if you combine these two products, there may be overlap in some molecules and each product will bring other molecules to the table. But you will have a whole new set of molecules and ratios so it will be very difficult if not impossible to predict how these products will work together. The combo may have characteristics that neither product has when each product is run solo. It may be a great combo for you. In may suck for you. Who knows?

Try both of them out solo and then together. It is possible that one of these products will be better for you solo than both together. Sometimes a more simple signature is better than a more complex signature.

That makes sense ! Btw I have run core solo for almost a week now with some notable initial reactions I am waiting on my order of xist so once it arrives I guess I could run that solo for couple of weeks before combining the two.

Thanks melatree

I combined CORE and XiSt on numerous occasions - a fairly mediocre combination, IMO, but then again I'm not a fan of XiSt - never got much out of it except slight effects when combined with something else (likely little more than amplification from the Epiallopregnanolone). The two combined seem to give off a beta vibe on their own - they need an alpha base to counteract this effect, I feel, whatever your choice may be. XiSt is just too problematic in combinations I've found - nothing is better for killing respect than P102 AKA Epiallopregnanolone. Then again, you may experience something entirely different - keep in mind XiSt only weakly worked for me in mixes, and almost not at all on its own.

My experience with Xist is almost the opposite of Ekscentra, this highlights how individual chemistry, behavior and social predisposition interact with any product. To me the real strength of Xist is a combination of trust and empathy. Neither is actually a beta trait. Strong alpha's actually inspire both trust and loyalty. You need to view the perception of empathy as a perception of fairness. I have a very strong natural alpha signature and Xist makes me a benevolent dictator instead of a despot.

With Xist I can amp up the "alpha" with BW, ascend or something similar while maintaining significant chemistry and comfort, you become the strong protective safe place to be while being perceived as "sweet". Xist is only a "beta" product (again my opinion) if the wearer's natural predisposition and interaction make it that way.

I love Core and consider it to be a great mixer....just like Xist. However we have rum and coke, 7 & 7, Gin and tonic....but no coke and tonic. I have mixed them and gotten good results but to be BW and Xist or Evolve and Xist make a lot more sense.

(05-27-2015 9:10 PM)DWR Wrote:  My experience with Xist is almost the opposite of Ekscentra, this highlights how individual chemistry, behavior and social predisposition interact with any product. To me the real strength of Xist is a combination of trust and empathy. Neither is actually a beta trait. Strong alpha's actually inspire both trust and loyalty. You need to view the perception of empathy as a perception of fairness. I have a very strong natural alpha signature and Xist makes me a benevolent dictator instead of a despot.

With Xist I can amp up the "alpha" with BW, ascend or something similar while maintaining significant chemistry and comfort, you become the strong protective safe place to be while being perceived as "sweet". Xist is only a "beta" product (again my opinion) if the wearer's natural predisposition and interaction make it that way.

I love Core and consider it to be a great mixer....just like Xist. However we have rum and coke, 7 & 7, Gin and tonic....but no coke and tonic. I have mixed them and gotten good results but to be BW and Xist or Evolve and Xist make a lot more sense.

Completely agree. I love Xist. Solo, it's amazing for me. I get status, comfort, trust - and sexual IOIs. I've had a male family member admit to me how much more masculine my beard looks than his, like he was sulking. Mixing Xist with SOB has been fun, too. Xist/Love Boat/Taboo (or SOB), Xist/Evolve, Xist/A-1. Does it hit on everyone, everywhere? No, but it's a top 5 phero for me.

(05-27-2015 9:10 PM)DWR Wrote:  With Xist I can amp up the "alpha" with BW, ascend or something similar while maintaining significant chemistry and comfort, you become the strong protective safe place to be while being perceived as "sweet". Xist is only a "beta" product (again my opinion) if the wearer's natural predisposition and interaction make it that way.

While I agree with the rest, I can't personally agree with that last part there. P102 (contained in XiSt) has killed alpha mixes for many of us here, including Pheroman and Pago. A wearer's reaction to a mix depends on much more than just individual chemistry - there are consistencies with nearly every mix. I've found a weak dose of trust and empathy from XiSt, but this pales in comparison to the effects I've obtained from P96, a single molecule. If just one molecule can surpass the effects of an entire mix, doing nearly everything that mix claims to do better than the mix itself (including enhancing alpha mixes, making them more agreeable without killing respect), then I'd consider that mix to be mediocre at best. XiSt was one of my major disappointments, but note that I was more likely to receive nothing from it than to experience negative effects. A314 Rev32 and APi are simply much better *without* XiSt than with it - other mixes combined with XiSt can lean too far towards the beta (CORE being one of them for me), and still others can work just fine - NA, CORE, XiSt and SXD-9, for example, worked perfectly fine, despite CORE and XiSt on their own garnering disappointing results at best.

Perhaps what mixes work and don't work for me is a genetic issue - I've noticed that both Pago and JohnnyHard tend to react similarly to me with a lot of the mixes we've used - furthermore, we're all German in blood (only partially in my case, fully with the formermost two). Since you've both reacted opposite to me with XiSt, I'm curious about your heritage - this may prove to be a major factor with self-responses to XiSt.

Sorry to derail the thread, but I feel this was an important point to make.

i've been using Xist + Ascend for months at work, (Respect, Confidence, Attraction IOI's + Imprinting) Xist by itself is Great, Xist looks masculine and trustworthy for women, when i wear Xist at work women do the "Look at Me Now" a way of telling by eye contact that they are interested in me

(05-28-2015 2:41 PM)Ekscentra Wrote:  While I agree with the rest, I can't personally agree with that last part there. P102 (contained in XiSt) has killed alpha mixes for many of us here, including Pheroman and Pago.

Sorry to derail the thread, but I feel this was an important point to make.

Your important point is a tad flawed, as P102 is first and foremost not listed in the ingredients for Xist. I am aware Steve doesn't list all of the ingredients, but where's your evidence to support that claim? Is it just something you've observed in your testing, and therefore concluded it must be so? That doesn't mean it's true.

Also, here's a link to a thread:

In post #4, Pheroman himself says he doesn't own any PXS product. Therefore, using him as having had a poor experience with P102 is completely unrelated to Xist, since he hasn't used it. I doubt Pago has either, since Steve is on his shitlist (who isn't).

That being said, unless you can point to a plethora of reports showing how Xist kills alpha mixes - thus producing a beta vibe - I can't jive with ya, dude. The positive Xist reports outnumber the negatives by a landslide.

(05-28-2015 4:42 PM)RTBoss Wrote:  Your important point is a tad flawed, as P102 is first and foremost not listed in the ingredients for Xist. I am aware Steve doesn't list all of the ingredients, but where's your evidence to support that claim? Is it just something you've observed in your testing, and therefore concluded it must be so? That doesn't mean it's true.

Also, here's a link to a thread:

In post #4, Pheroman himself says he doesn't own any PXS product. Therefore, using him as having had a poor experience with P102 is completely unrelated to Xist, since he hasn't used it. I doubt Pago has either, since Steve is on his shitlist (who isn't).

That being said, unless you can point to a plethora of reports showing how Xist kills alpha mixes - thus producing a beta vibe - I can't jive with ya, dude. The positive Xist reports outnumber the negatives by a landslide.

P102 *is* Epiallopregnanolone, as far as we can tell. Steve hasn't listed it as an ingredient to my knowledge, but he has posted about it extensively.

Pago and Pheroman have both used P102 - I wasn't referring to XiSt, but an ingredient considered to be in XiSt - and yes, I'm well aware of Pago's disdain for PXS.