I still have two full bottles of rev 29. I usually order 3-4 samples from any vendor to minimize any inconsistencies.

Over the last year I have been cutting my A314 (work staple) with some hax oils.
So far for me the best mix is 50 drops A314, 10 drops 512 and 20 drops X22. I wear 4 drops applies to my cheeks,chin and neck area. Tons of respect and attraction. I'll half the X22 next batch so I have a less social mix.

A314 mixes great with most anything. It provides a solid foundation.

Mixing C4 with A314 is far too intimidating. Mixing Ascend with A314 is like the above,A314,512andX22.

As a substitute for the ever changing A314, I'm testing Ascend with C4. Today I'm on 2 drops C4 oil and 3 sprays Ascend(NO COPS). Ascend by itself is a little to friendly for me. It's more like wolf but stronger in it's effects. For me it needs some C4. Went to a professional luncheon today and sa myself at one of the round tables of 8 persons. Everyone introduced themselves to me and definately got the VIP treatrment as the younger ones poured me my water and coffee. However, the two older guys, when shaking my hand had used a more dominant handshake where their hand would be slightly overtop mine. I did sense some competitiveness. This would never happen with my A314,512 and X22 mix. I was at a similar luncheon 2 weeks prior and got the VIP with respect and friendliness from all the older guys. Treated equal and better.

Thus, still no replacement for A314 for me. I like all the alpha products and each has it's uses.

If you can maintain eye contact with anyone without turning away first and you pee standing up, then A314 is for you.

AD is perhaps trying to apeal to a broader market.

Just for the record, C4 is one of the most dominant products out there and puts more ALPHA into alpha products. It contains no none and no Androsterone!!!! I'm thinking the edge comes from the epiandrosterone it conains.

C4"PHEROMONE COMPOSITION (DOSE):

alpha-Androstenol (x3), beta-Androstenol (x2), Epiandrosterone (x2), Androstadienone (x2), Oxytocin"

Reading this thread has made me order some rev 32 and test it. I'll let you know the results when I'm done.

Lebron... I know you love A314 and AV combined, comments?

A314 rev 32 and some C4 boost may work with this version, we shall see.

Holla at me if you want to sell your rev 29 a314 Fish.

As for Ascend, I got to be brutally honest since we can't just have positive feedbacks: I hate the product, been testing it for 2 weeks and while Steve, as a person, ranks real high in my esteem, this mix flat out sucks. Smell is atrocious, the mix is trying to be sexy and alpha without achieving any of those 2. Coming real flat and sending mixed signals...I compare it to Corporativo which is another one I disliked.

I'm curious about Steve beta mix XS 101 and yeah, I'll look at C4 for my next order!

How do you compare C4, to a314, in term of status? I'm not looking for pure intimidation but more of a supreme status product, like previous a314 batch were....Why in hell did they changed that perfect product....

(03-19-2013 8:20 PM)Fishdude Wrote:  Reading this thread has made me order some rev 32 and test it. I'll let you know the results when I'm done.

Lebron... I know you love A314 and AV combined, comments?

A314 rev 32 and some C4 boost may work with this version, we shall see.

I'm going to hang on to my remaining A314 longer. Cutting with other products lasts it longer and doens'nt override the affects too much.

Ascend is so powerful (mones content ) that it's hard to steer. 1000 mcg per drop of oil? You kidding me? A314 has about 29 mcg per drop and it's far more powerful for it's specific use. Even cops call me sir! A very respectful sir. I'll be wearing A314 to my next Job interview too.

I think Steve is the man to build the best A413 replica from the old days but he still has ties to AD perhaps .

Ascend is like the corpo and wolf but too intense and overwhelming to use full strength. Even my 3 sprays today was taking the oomph out of the C4.

I have some of those fragrance shop vials of oil scent. I put 5 drops of Ascend oil mixed with a vial of fragrance shop oil (say Green Irish Tweed) and use just 1 drop of that for weekend running around. Works great that way as a friendly Alpha and it doens'nt clobber anyone over the head.

I group Ascend,wolf,and corpo in the same alpha category, yes alpha but they all have brought out some empathy from people too. With corpo and wolf , old ladies will sometimes call me dear even. Today during a meeting with my 3 sprays Ascend and two drops C4 , all my jokes are funny, even a butch female (Alpha) touched me on the back for some reassurance on some point. These alphas are very buddy buddy.

Wingman Black ( M512 oil) is closer to A314 than any of the 3 mentioned above, try it.

C4 like A314 is In an Alpha class by itself. I need to test C4 a lot more but so far it mixes great with everything except A314 hmmmm? Is Hax onto something. The only thing that doesn't mix well with 3 drops of A314 is more A314. I have mixed two drops of 512 with 2 drops of X22 or 3 sprays sb glass with great results, people want to help me, open me and stare in awe?? Hmmm I get this with A314 and socials.

Try C4 and get back to us. The three oil pack of C4,M512, and X22 are great value.

I ordered the C4 in spray form two days ago for testing so I hope to learn more.

My list of alpha products in order from most respect,adoration ,confidence boost in self, respect again, James Bond, appearing to be of wealth, "something about this guy" aura, and last but not least Deer in the headlights from my nieces goes as follows:

A314: my biggest mistake was ordering it 10 years ago when it first appeared and 1 week later throwing it out because of my ignorance of the product.



C4: need to test a lot more but that meens going without my beloved A314 that day..alas .
Super respect, blends great with socials. Need to try with a more attractive and sexual mix with it still.

Wingman Black (m312 oil). Like the people say , rock star respect with no apathy/empathy. No need to feel sorry for me because you know you don't have to and can count on me....type of blend. WB , like ascend is composed of practically every known phero to us but have their ratios different.

Ascend: closest to Corpo and Wolf with some wb attributes,very intense, does all it says but the respect is more of a star quarterback and upcoming star. People still want to mentor and help you out and be around you. Not because your already at the top but are that shining star.

Corpo: great for kids and older ladies. I sometimes use it to friend out my A314 by adding a 2-3 sprays to my work Mix. I'm the Alpha gay guy with this (even though I straight ). The gay guys in my office will smell it when walking by and stop by my office to chat .lots of gay posturing and over the top friendliness. Old ladies call me dear, I'm 49!

Wolf: I love the smell and I feel calm and relaxed with it on. This product is the closest to corpo.

OD : like a more masculine and sexy Wolf. I like to add a full drop rubbed onto my chest in addition to my A314 mix, knowing it becomes more sexual near the end of the work day on Fridays when I like to go out for those patio beers. It gets more like AV towards the end of the day and does better with a314 than without.

FD

Holy shit Fishdude... that was a great post - I think it deserves its own thread with your comparisons of several different alpha products.

A314 - yeah nothing seems to be able to touch it even if they keep messing with the product. I'm on 3 drops right now but I still dont feel that alphaness I used o get with rev23, although other people seem to respect me. I notice that I am talking slower and more clearly and my thoughts have become clearer, like I know what I should be doing right now.

It makes me excited that I am about to hit the gym and accomplish something.

I am going to try 3-4 drops with a spray of AM and see what happens at a function tonight.

Thanks, this thread has got me going. Not the first time I have read about the short comings of A314 rev 32. This is why I strive for a replacement to the good ol A314.

I want to read more of the rev 32 and will be trying it to see where it fits above. AD should modify the name of The latest A314 like Chris did with the 2nd LIIK product vers 2 and let the people decide.

i have to figure out what rev i have

this thread is crazy cuz i just brushed the dust off my a314 and gave it a go when meeting some new people

1 drop a314 and 1 spray glace

lots of status and velcro effect with another alpha male. he was upper management. said very little and he was basically taking my lead

was not around women so did not gauge effects

Ok, I just got back from the open night for the course I want to attend.

I had on 3 drops of a314 - 2 to the neck, 1 to the wrists... 2 sprays of ammo on my shirt... 2 sprays of instant shine on the gills. I also just took it a tad far with a spray of AM sprayed on 1 wrist and rubbed on the other...

I felt VERY serious... I did have a laugh here and there but that was to not seem too above everyone. The guy giving the presentation would barely make eye contact with me. The person I talked to on the phone seemed like she was somewhat intimidated... I was sitting next to a young girl - probably 18-19 who was with her folks for about 5 minutes and she started fidgeting and playing with her hair... she gave some solid eye contact and stared for a while in a more convenient location but too far away for the mones to be working.

Another girl also started staring at me while I was filling out a form.

I'll retry the mix tomorrow with Glace and/or instant honesty.

But again, I felt too serious and not in the mood for a pick up. I just couldn't bring myself to lighten up and chill out.

Try 2 dr A314 when you use ammo

I tried 3 drops of A314, 2 sprays of p74, 2 sprays of instant shine for work today... it worked pretty well IMO for the first few hours when the shine and p74 were doing there social magic. There is a guy I am fairly good friends with who was seeking my approval (change in his voice, not as buddy buddy) but still happy to talk. Gave me more eye contact, but I think he was at a loss about how to approach me.

My micromanaging asshole "manager" left me alone for most of the day - his childish and rude yelling seemed to be at a minimum too. I'll run this again with 2 drops in the morning, but also have a few socials on hand in case I start intimidating my friends.