I've just finished dissolving 100mg of DHEA in fractionated coconut oil, and made myself a nice little 12mcg test sprayer. So I'll be reporting my impressions of the molecule in this thread as I test it out.

For now, here's everything this forum has to offer us on DHEA as a pheromone:

James V. Kohl reports that Winnifred Cutler "claimed on the Montel Williams show (I have the transcript) that she was using DHEA or its sulfate" in her super-secret products, to unknown effect.

The molecule was also used in a discontinued mix from Love Potion called Synchronicity, and another one called Drop Your Guard.

Diane reports: "DHEA is physically stimulating for me, but I can't use much of it because it exacerbates an already wonky heart beat for me."

In conversations elsewhere, Tisha said this of DHEA:

Quote:I would have sworn it was TAA without the neroli. I noticed increased ease, positivity and better all round moods with it. I also noticed people hovering around me like bee's. I also noticed this effect when she was wearing it at a few social functions we attended together.

Willow has speculated on the use of DHEA: "2 of my faves contain DHEA, as an active ingredient. Why exactly? I believe it creates a sort of reset button / clean slate...not sure though."

To which Diane explained:

Quote:Generally speaking, the 3-alpha-5alpha isomers of steroids are calming, soothing, anti-anxiety, and sedating (high doses) while the 3-beta-5-beta isomers and the sulfates are not. The beta isomers and sulfates tend to improve cognitive function and enhance memory, and are sometimes implicated in appetite control.

DHEA (3β-hydroxy-5-androsten-17-one) and DHEAS (3β-hydroxy-5-androsten-17-one sulphate) are beta isomers, so they are both expected to act as a memory enhancing-type pheromones, and as long as cortisol levels in the brain are in the normal range it should also decrease the appetite....

DHEA, DHEAS and Androsterone are neurosteroids, (I'm not sure about epiandrosterone), and all four are found in some measure excreted in the urine, and so these are prime candidates for putative pheromones.

While writing this post, I was enjoying the self-effects of a single 12mcg spray of DHEA, fixed with FCO, monolaurin, and a light musk scent, split between my wrists.

It's getting late, so I can't say 100% that the effects have not been caused by a normal ultradian shift in physiological and mental functioning. However, I can say I've had a very pleasant 45 minutes researching and writing. I have a pleasant feeling of heaviness throughout my body, and an enhanced sense of focus. Mood is very good, and I'm feeling relaxed.

It feels a little like Instant Shine, but somewhat smoother and better in my opinion.

So many great chemicals to play with. Good times.

This morning I've replicated the self-effects from DHEA as described above.

It's a really interesting and pleasant sensation that comes over me with this one. A feeling of being solid and centered. The effects are definitely very kinesthetically focused. My body feels good, and I am drawn to focus my attention on it. The self-effects of DHEA could be very useful to me in keeping focused.

It's tough for me to believe that I'm sniffing millionths of a gram of something I just bought as a supplement dosed at 100mg, and experiencing this pronounced of an effect. I just bought a lifetime supply for 10 bucks!

I am definitely now convinced that common hormone and prohormone supplements are a viable source for dilution and use as pheromones, if you're willing to roll your own.

I'm going out to brunch with a single 12mcg spray of DHEA to the wrist.

My plan for solo testing was foiled. It became evident that my girl's hormonal state required me to wear some serious Androstadienone or suffer the consequences!

I will say this: DHEA and Androstadienone made a very nice, cheerful combination. Mellow yet outgoing.

Hey dbot, Thanks for posting this-it sounds fascinating.

I have been taking DHEA orally and have noticed the positive side effects.

I never even thought or heard of dissolving it into a solution.

How do you go about your dissolution process, did you just let it sit in the coconut oil?

Hi Salty,

To dissolve the DHEA, I emptied the capsule into a dropper bottle, added the oil, shook it very well, sat the bottle in a hot water bath, and continued to shake periodically. For best results I'd say give it a day or two of sitting around, and just shake it for a few seconds whenever you walk by, and re-heat your hot water bath whenever you get a chance.

There are extra fillers in the capsule that you will have to filter out after you have given the DHEA time to dissolve. I used a coffee filter, and it worked okay but not great. I'm hoping to think of a better solution for filtering the schmutz, so let me know if you think of one.

Also, if you use coconut oil make sure its fractionated coconut oil, not the whole coconut oil you can buy at the grocery store. That stuff is good to eat but will be greasy on the skin and probably wouldn't dissolve in alcohol very well. You could also dissolve the DHEA into DPG, jojoba, or perfumer's alcohol (or everclear if it's legal where you live. I can't get it in Chicago.)

By the way, what effects have you noticed from DHEA supplementation?

I've started taking 7-keto DHEA since posting the research in my thread about 7-keto (really interesting articles there; check them out!), and I'm seeing increased energy levels, fat loss, and decreased stress response. I kind of crash at night though. These are still very preliminary impressions though; today is only the 3rd day I've taken it.

(04-11-2011 7:29 PM)dbot Wrote:  I'm hoping to think of a better solution for filtering the schmutz, so let me know if you think of one.

Cheese cloth might work.

That's what I'll try next with the batch of pregnenolone I'm brewing. I just hope the cloth is fine enough to strain out filler-dust.

I started taking DHEA orally after having a drastic decrease in testosterone due to hormonal birth control pills. I started to feel like crap, I was missing something and it took me a while to figure out what it was plus my libido completely disappeared. I even felt uncomfortable if sex scenes came on TV. Something was really wrong.

Anyway now that I'm off hormonal birth control dhea has helped to bring my cognition back to normal (mind you it has only been a few weeks that I've been off bc), my energy levels are returning, and of course my libido has increased greatly which is most likely due to the increase in testosterone.

I'm really curious as to the difference in dissolving 7-Keto which does not have the hormonal side effects of DHEA and dissolving regular DHEA. My thought is that the normal DHEA would be most effective, you think?