I'm a guy and I've read a lot of the threads about what fallout is and how one might imprint his memory into the thoughts of a woman. At first I was thinking, "yea, that's what I want: for women to think of me always!". But then I started to think about the social implications of such a manipulation of a woman's mind and what it held for her on a daily basis. I came to this second part from from an experience I am having now with this one woman.

I am in my 40's and single. Like many guys, I look for women younger than myself. If was a much younger taking a shine to me I won't back away from the encounter. But I'm not a guy who frequents clubs nor am I a PUA. I meet woman in the social situations whether that be in sports, clubs or meetups.

Lately I've been taking horseback riding lessons. At the stable where I signed up I was met the first day by an outgoing young lady as I was first being taught how to groom a horse. I don't know her age but I'm guessing 25-28. In the subsequent weeks we would bump into each other where the conversation was engaging and friendly though not flirtatious.

I discovered mones a month later and thought to test a combo with her with her one day. Forget exactly but prob was (ammo 2x + IG + IH).

Our conversation turned to 'about her' (as always with me) and I was asking her about her plans for the future. It appeared to me that she was a bit surprised by the fact that I went off a casual script and into more in-depth conversation. She told me about her mom not wanting her to be a stable-hand but that she (the girl) love horses an wanted one for herself one day. I asked about what type of horse she wanted and she said she didn't care only that she wanted to be in love with it. Pretty revealing stuff to a stranger. At the end of the conversation, as she went back to work, I thanked her for taking time out of her work to chat with me. Her face was beaming!

A week later on that next lesson she pretty much ignored me. And yesterday, the second lesson since she acted like she was uncomfortable around me. When I walked up to her (I always sought her out when I was there) she gave a cursory grin and not the big bright and welcoming one like before. And she was anxious to get on with her work rather than stop for a while to chat; as if I was bothering her. A complete 180° to our prior interactions!

My 'assumptions' is that she thought about me heavily those several days and perhaps was starting to crush on me. Actually I think she had a crush to begin, but maybe the mones put her in a place where she became uncomfortable about her thoughts.

Okay so this has been a long tale. But the gist of it is that I actually feel bad now that I might have put her in a confusing place mentally. And I'd like to get back to where we were as being friends. And in the future I shouldn't test what I don't know about on people I care about.

I'm curious as to the feminine take on my assumptions are here. Guys need not answer. Not interested in swagger on this one.

Yes, there's risk in using pheromones. Not just that you will be hated but also that you may be liked too much. This comes with the territory in being a person that is not ignored anymore. Sometimes, you can turn around the doubts and insecurities about you into attraction.

But if you are decadent and need to be liked at any cost and never be at the heart of any conflict, then go with a very light social. Either way, it's a mistake to ask women for advice on this. You are giving them permission to advise you to do things that implicitly benefit them as women, even at your expense. If you don't want anything from your social interactions, then be a hermit. But if you want connections, bonds, love, power, then forget about what others think and admit to yourself what you really want and act on that.

(02-05-2016 12:32 PM)NP17 Wrote:  But if you are decadent and need to be liked at any cost and never be at the heart of any conflict, then go with a very light social. Either way, it's a mistake to ask women for advice on this. You are giving them permission to advise you to do things that implicitly benefit them as women, even at your expense. If you don't want anything from your social interactions, then be a hermit. But if you want connections, bonds, love, power, then forget about what others think and admit to yourself what you really want and act on that.

NP17, as I said, no swagger needed. This is exactly the type of answer swagger gives. And YES, looking for female perspective!

I honestly don't know what to tell you. Women are complex as are human interactions. Sounds like she's being reserved & you might be right as to why. But, only she knows. Truth be told, she might just be trying to be nice by not leading you on if she does not want you to get the wrong impression.

(02-05-2016 12:04 PM)Old Phero Guy Wrote:  . (I always sought her out when I was there) she gave a cursory grin and not the big bright and welcoming one like before. And she was anxious to get on with her work rather than stop for a while to chat; .

I know you said you didn't want answers from guys but ....

this sounds to me like you're becoming a creepy stalker guy who's only taking riding lessons to get in her pants. you might be making her uncomfortable if you're always looking for her. and maybe appearing needy. She might also be uncomfortable with your line of questioning if she's not into you yet. Take a step back, go for your lessons and ease up on the "I'm wearing pheromones lets see if i can get her to crush on me" attitude. Put on your mones, take your lessons, let her breathe it all in and whatever happens happens. sometimes its better to not force the issue

(02-05-2016 4:20 PM)Spider-mone Wrote:  I know you said you didn't want answers from guys but ....

this sounds to me like you're becoming a creepy stalker guy who's only taking riding lessons to get in her pants. you might be making her uncomfortable if you're always looking for her. and maybe appearing needy. She might also be uncomfortable with your line of questioning if she's not into you yet. Take a step back, go for your lessons and ease up on the "I'm wearing pheromones lets see if i can get her to crush on me" attitude. Put on your mones, take your lessons, let her breathe it all in and whatever happens happens. sometimes its better to not force the issue

Thanks for your answer though its not the case. She's not my instructor. And in the beginning she came up to me and always sought me out at first. Then I followed the same. Part of my lesson is to groom/brush the horse. The horse in in the stable. I must walk through the stable to get to the horse. She is in the stable. While I am walking through the stable getting to the horse I am looking to see if she is around too. Only had the mones that one time though spoke to her several times before that. Just asking a question on fallout here. Not a federal case.

(02-05-2016 5:05 PM)Old Phero Guy Wrote:  . Just asking a question on fallout here. Not a federal case.

I'm starting to see why she might not like you anymore.... Lol.

Stop seeking her out is all I'm saying. Let her come to you like she was doing in the beginning. You're asking about fallout.... You can't have fallout if you're the one up her ass

I second AG. Women are complex, and every social interaction is different. One possibility is your theory that she might be attracted and is now uncomfortable.. OR she just wants to be friends.

Not complicated at all. And she aint confused, her message is loud and clear.
You took a step forward, she took 2 backwards.
She aint interested at this time.

The only thing to do is back off, do not engage her in any way unless its work related and keep it strictly work. And keep it as minimal as possible.
Always say hello if you cross paths and act as if that convo never happened.

(02-05-2016 12:04 PM)Old Phero Guy Wrote:  I thanked her for taking time out of her work to chat with me.

Not a good move at all.

(02-05-2016 12:04 PM)Old Phero Guy Wrote:  Guys need not answer. Not interested in swagger on this one.

I hate to break the news, but clearly you need some swagger.

The other times that you saw her after that, were you wearing
mones? (just curious)

Not sure what the issue is. Perhaps she is fighting feelings.