I'd be ready to make a 500$ order on raw molecules ....

come on Chris !

Pago

(11-10-2011 1:15 AM)Alpha Dream Wrote:  I could get some Androstadienone converted over to beta-dienol at a cost of $1850.. but I'm not sure I would sell enough to justify the project...

As it is, I'm planning to get 100 grams of dienol made for not much more than the above price, so its better if we wait for it..

If my calculation are right thats $18.50 a gram. We all know that you (Chris) are in Business so a mark up is expected. Go ahead Bra,. pull the trigger.

I'm in,I'm in ;)
vote for 4-none , too

I want as well! I want all raw molecules...

:O

(11-20-2011 10:29 AM)kmacc45 Wrote:  If my calculation are right thats $18.50 a gram. We all know that you (Chris) are in Business so a mark up is expected. Go ahead Bra,. pull the trigger.

$1,850 to convert over from androstadienone -- multiplied by 35% yield plus the cost of starting material (androstadienone).

Take 225 grams of Androstadienone and add that into the equation. It takes 2.25 grams of -dienone to make 1 gram of beta-dienol. Then purify the -dienol to obtain 0.8 grams. 800 milligrams from 2,250 milliograms of -dienone is a really shitty and expensive yield. Do the math and you will get a suprising result. $1150 market value androstadienone for a compound of $350 fair market value.

"not much more than the above price" was not a well thought out comment. Thanks for capitalizing on it.

Androstadienone (the starting material) in particular is expensive, since it is made from testosterone, which requires special permits for the labs to obtain.

Don't want to mention my costs exactly, but having this made is a significant investment - and it's a limited return since very few people outside this forum will purchase it. Adding it to the repertoire of singles however, and spicing up certain formulas with it makes it a worthwhile investment nonetheless.

Will be ready in 4-5 months.

If it hits well, folks hopefully will gobble it up to make it worthwhile...

Hey Dave - beta-dienol is TAA, you think?

Good insight dude -- never thought of that. I always assumed it was estratetraenol, but in retrospect, you may very well be right...

TAA does have the feel of -dienol, from how I remember it. To me at least, -dienol felt a lot like -est, the main difference being how it affects women -- Positive mood enhancer for men, and very attractive to women in a very clean way.

Chris @ alpha

I'd say I'm more than 90% certain it is TAA. The self-effects, other-effects, and even diffusion time appear to be identical. Pair that with the historical references connecting these two molecules, and I think they are one and the same.

Got a question for you, Chris -- the stuff I've got is 5,16-Androstadien-3β-ol.

That's the beta isomer, right? All the references I can find to "androstadienol" refer to that molecule. Is there a corresponding alpha isomer? Or do I have something wrong?

(11-22-2011 7:49 PM)dbot Wrote:  Got a question for you, Chris -- the stuff I've got is 5,16-Androstadien-3β-ol.

It's a beta-dienol/DHEA hybrid.