(08-01-2015 12:10 PM)eldros Wrote:  http://press.endocrine.org/doi/10.1210/e...%3Dpubmed&
It appears that the sulfation of steroids is basically a form of pre-steroid (which like I said before, enhances solubility). Once the sulfated steroid enters the blood stream and cells, the sulfate group is the cleaved to activate the steroid.
This seems irrelevant in the context of pheromones.
This is just IMHO. I'm no pheromone signalling expert.

Sulfated mones behave differently than similar non-sulfated mones, in my personal experience. I don't see any of the 'jealousy effect' from androsterone with Androsterone sulfate.

(12-08-2015 2:13 PM)wiserd Wrote:  Sulfated mones behave differently than similar non-sulfated mones, in my personal experience. I don't see any of the 'jealousy effect' from androsterone with Androsterone sulfate.

Does that mean no fallout?

(12-08-2015 6:38 PM)NP17 Wrote:  Does that mean no fallout?

Androsterone Sulfate has successfully been used in numerous fallout mixes. Fallout levels of desire wouldn't necessarily have to equate to jealousy. If anything, this is an undesirable form of attraction. If Androsterone Sulfate can get rid of it (and I've noticed this effect in numerous mixes containing it), then all the better.

I think I read somewhere that TAA was androterone sulfate. Has this been "confirmed" by people who have tested both ?

M.

(12-12-2015 6:01 AM)moe Wrote:  I think I read somewhere that TAA was androterone sulfate. Has this been "confirmed" by people who have tested both ?

M.

Even better - it's been confirmed by lab analysis with essentially 100% probability if we apply some level of critical thinking (MS). Androsterone Sulfate is the only possibility there is. The other, one could argue, is DHEAS, but the effects are grossly inconsistent with those of TAA for those who have extensively tested both. This was in an analysis of Instant Shine.

Very interesting. A couple of questions...
- Is there a link you've got regarding the lab analysis?
- Has it been confirmed by Androtics that TAA was in Instant Shine?

(12-12-2015 10:30 AM)Ancillian Wrote:  Very interesting. A couple of questions...
- Is there a link you've got regarding the lab analysis?
- Has it been confirmed by Androtics that TAA was in Instant Shine?

I'll PM you on the first question. As for the second? To my knowledge it's confirmed, but I couldn't say exactly where it's been confirmed.

(12-12-2015 10:43 AM)Ekscentra Wrote:  I'll PM you on the first question. As for the second? To my knowledge it's confirmed, but I couldn't say exactly where it's been confirmed.

Mharris referred to TAA as the base molecule of Instant Shine during a discussion about diffusion and the possibilty of an oil based Instant Shine.

I would dearly love a PM with that link to Instant Shine's analysis.

There is no link to the analysis, but I'll pm you later on it