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Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects
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RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects
03-10-2016 12:52 AM

For scenting, seeing you don't like synthetics, what would an example of scents be? When you say synthetic are you talking about oils from thefragranceshop that you can get?

Opus sounds like an interesting mix but you've said it's not really viable because of cost. You said 80$ for a 10ml spray, would it be possible to make that an Oil? I only think I'd pay that much for an oil that is purported to cause fallout. Another thing, has this caused fallout or is this just Imprinting you're talking about
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RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects
03-10-2016 2:48 AM

Only natural ingredients as he pointed out. In perfumery that would mean Absolues, Extracts, Essential Oils and some tinctures made from soild fragrant substances like ambergris or resins. Those can be named absolues.

I've seen other posts like yours here that imply that mainstream perfumes, and especially the expensive ones, are made for "natural" ingredients or essential oils.
That's completly false. Perfumes are composed of mostly synthetic materials (aroma chemicals), natural analouges (stil synthetic) and some natural ingredients isolated from EO's (limonene, linalool etc.). No different if it's Gucci, Armani (urgh to both), Bvlgari, Chanel, Creed, Dior, Versace or Tom Ford, Creed and Guerlain.

When they contain essential oils it's only to compound the corresponding synthetic chemicals, round them out so to speak.
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Post: #13
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects
03-10-2016 2:56 AM

(03-10-2016 12:52 AM)CptLeon Wrote:  For scenting, seeing you don't like synthetics, what would an example of scents be? When you say synthetic are you talking about oils from thefragranceshop that you can get?

Opus sounds like an interesting mix but you've said it's not really viable because of cost. You said 80$ for a 10ml spray, would it be possible to make that an Oil? I only think I'd pay that much for an oil that is purported to cause fallout. Another thing, has this caused fallout or is this just Imprinting you're talking about

At first, I'd offer a simple scent based on natural pheromones, something versatile and easy to cover. Ambergris, sandalwood, and spikenard is one possible combination I had in mind.

In the future, I'd like to offer more complex cover scents based on the chypre and fougere structures. For now, something simpler will have to su#fice.

By synthetics, I'm referring to anything that uses man-made aromachemicals. This includes nearly everything you can find on the open market, including TheFragranceShop. Many examples are pleasant - it's just not what I'm going for.

Opus is not viable to sell as-is because of costs. Bulk pricing of the needed components should bring it down to a more reasonable level.

The price I quoted was merely the price I'm aiming for, not a final price by any means. This was for the oil version of Apollo, not for Opus.

A few possible instances of fallout have occurred with testers so far. Even tried-and-true fallout mixes took a number of exposures to generate fallout. The results look promising so far, but even with the best possible purported "fallout mix," you'd still need to drive the product to result in fallout. This merely opens the doors to allow that to happen.
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03-10-2016 6:32 AM

For instant fallout, I'm willing to pay what's been suggested! Keep us informed and keep up this amazing work.
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03-10-2016 6:53 AM

(03-10-2016 6:32 AM)sunnyday Wrote:  For instant fallout, I'm willing to pay what's been suggested! Keep us informed and keep up this amazing work.

It's not "instant fallout." No mix can achieve this, it seems. One difference between Opus and the established fallout mixes is that you'll tend to start seeing results quicker - this is what tests so far have indicated.

Whether true fallout will develop is still inconclusive, but I'm hopeful based on the feedback so far. I did design the mix for fallout - if somehow it doesn't achieve these goals, I'll continue tweaking it until that changes.
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03-10-2016 8:20 AM

(03-10-2016 6:53 AM)Ekscentra Wrote:  It's not "instant fallout." No mix can achieve this, it seems. One difference between Opus and the established fallout mixes is that you'll tend to start seeing results quicker - this is what tests so far have indicated.

Whether true fallout will develop is still inconclusive, but I'm hopeful based on the feedback so far. I did design the mix for fallout - if somehow it doesn't achieve these goals, I'll continue tweaking it until that changes.

Everything you've mentioned so far is why I get my mones unscented. Having the option to use the BEST ingredients is a big plus.

Opus, if it is everything you've purported, will be earth the cost. I would be willing to spend the money for an oil version with the scent packages you are creating.

Your efforts are taking pheromones to the next logical iteration of effectiveness.
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Post: #17
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03-10-2016 11:15 AM

(03-10-2016 6:53 AM)Ekscentra Wrote:  It's not "instant fallout." No mix can achieve this

A314 rev 29 did have "instant fallout". This I can confirm from personal experience.

Looking forward to trying the new mixes when they are released.
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03-10-2016 11:15 AM

(03-10-2016 6:53 AM)Ekscentra Wrote:  It's not "instant fallout." No mix can achieve this, it seems. One difference between Opus and the established fallout mixes is that you'll tend to start seeing results quicker - this is what tests so far have indicated.

Whether true fallout will develop is still inconclusive, but I'm hopeful based on the feedback so far. I did design the mix for fallout - if somehow it doesn't achieve these goals, I'll continue tweaking it until that changes.

Apologies, didn't mean "instant fallout" (that would be worth much more!), I meant "all-in-one fallout".
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03-10-2016 11:32 AM

(03-10-2016 11:15 AM)sunnyday Wrote:  Apologies, didn't mean "instant fallout" (that would be worth much more!), I meant "all-in-one fallout".

Not at all. Just clearing things up.

I'd absolutely consider this an all-in-one. It seems to be a real chameleon so far in that different ranges of effects become prominent in different situations. If alpha effects are called for, that kicks into gear. Social? You got it. Romance? Same.

I imagine sexual effects will manifest themselves in the right situation as well. After all, P88 has been referred to as the 'holy grail of sex mixes.' Or perhaps I steered the mix in a direction that puts far less emphasis on the sexual aspect. That remains to be seen.

I'd love to see someone experienced with combining Nude Alpha, XiSt oil (or ETFZ), and various Androstadienone -based mixes test this one out. A comparison would be extremely valuable.
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03-10-2016 11:45 AM

(03-10-2016 11:15 AM)Paradox Wrote:  A314 rev 29 did have "instant fallout". This I can confirm from personal experience.

Looking forward to trying the new mixes when they are released.

I stand corrected, then. Would you be willing to expand upon this? I'd like to know how you perceive this instant fallout effect.
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