(02-23-2012 7:00 AM)ohhmygod Wrote:  Blue Lotus extract = pheromones wtf @@ ITS FROM A F*KN PLANT.

I admit I shouldn't have written what I did and would be fine with the thread's deletion. I had reservations and should have listened to them. Mea culpa. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused, any confusion I may have experienced, or inadvertant red flags I may have raised.

But as for "wtf, it's from a plant"

1. Substances produced by plants can sometimes mimic substances produced by the body to some extent. That's why they have an effect. And some are quite specific. There are only so many small molecules. And given that I can't exactly purchase from Sigma Aldrich myself (I don't think) cheaply and in small quantities, especially without being grilled about what I'm going to use such and such for, plant derived substances are often more readily available for testing unusual molecules.

Sometimes I search for my keys under lamp posts. That may not be where I lost them, but that's where the light is.

2. As mentioned previously, BL has been used as incense in the past. So I wasn't shooting blind. Another culture believed it was good for a social atmosphere. For whatever reason.

3. Regarding caffeine and olfactory anchors; When I was a kid I hated coffee and never drank it. It was far too strong for my taste. I still perked up from the smell, though.

Sorry for using that kind of words. But plants do not contain human pheromones (my point ^__^ )

(02-23-2012 10:53 AM)wiserd Wrote:  2. As mentioned previously, BL has been used as incense in the past. So I wasn't shooting blind. Another culture believed it was good for a social atmosphere. For whatever reason.

So yes, absolutely possible IMO.

(02-23-2012 10:53 AM)wiserd Wrote:  I admit I shouldn't have written what I did and would be fine with the thread's deletion. I had reservations and should have listened to them. Mea culpa. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused, any confusion I may have experienced, or inadvertant red flags I may have raised.

Why not post? I found you had a great idea, wiserd. And if someone else thinks about using plants or exogenous substances as pheromones, the person might stumble over this thread and learn something. Like i for instance picked up, that it's probably most effective to test endogenous substances for pheromone properties. I did not know that before.

Also afaik plants produce pheromones, for example to attract insects, like bees.

(02-23-2012 11:08 AM)ohhmygod Wrote:  Sorry for using that kind of words. But plants do not contain human pheromones (my point ^__^ )

Quote:The putative steroid pheromones 13, 14 are also found in plants, but their roles in communication (if any) are unclear. Androstenol (13) is found in the ultimate delicacy, truffles, and this is why pigs are able to locate them, even when they grow up to half a metre below ground level 60. Caviar, celery and young parsnips also contain androstenone (14) 61, as do many of the exotic foods prized by epicureans 62. Even though excesses of these steroids smell unpleasant, humans respond favourably to them in small amounts.

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And my point is that they do.

(No problems with your word choice, bro.)

Show'em guys!

(02-23-2012 12:02 PM)idontknow Wrote:  Why not post? I found you had a great idea, wiserd. And if someone else thinks about using plants or exogenous substances as pheromones, the person might stumble over this thread and learn something. Like i for instance picked up, that it's probably most effective to test endogenous substances for pheromone properties. I did not know that before.

Also afaik plants produce pheromones, for example to attract insects, like bees.

Thanks IDK. My concern is in regards to openly and directly associating pheromones and other scents with substances that might be prone to government regulation. I concede that Chris has a strong point in that regard. I need to get in the habit of speaking with such concerns in mind.

As far as exogenous vs endogenous substances... a lot of the scents that are highly coveted are coveted for a reason, IMHO. They are the winners of a rigorous social selection process, the golden needles in an enormous haystack. So while the odds of any particular compound being beneficial in this regard are low, the odds of popular scents being useful seems worth investigating.

I strongly object to the knee-jerk reactions against this type of experimentation. Anytime you have people saying "don't try it because it won't do anything" you're dealing with an ideology which undercuts science. There is no known reason why dopaminergic receptors shouldn't be included in the olfactory apparatus, and no reason not to test materials at hand for pheromone-like properties. At this point no one in the entire world really has any idea how olfactory substances affect internal states, only that they do. And, in fact, flowering plants are one of the better-studied sources for olfactory-behavioral effects on mammals!

Wiserd, I think your rationale is sound, and you furthermore tested it out and provided preliminary results. Excellent work.

From my experience with Blue lotus ( capsules, flowers and resin). The only favourable results i encountered was when it was mixed with wine.'

But even then, its the alcohol + the psychoactive properties that give the effect. It does increase sexual desire, i drank a two bottles with a friend of mine and she said she was extremely turned on more than from normal wine. Even so, i stopped drinking it and switched to normal wine. its makes you tired and way to relaxed to do anything. It would be good for wives, girlfriends, etc. but not to socialize with at a party.

It is not addictive and definitely would not cause any psychological and physiological dependency issues.

Even if it is possible to somehow extract, formulate and synthesize a compound to use as pheromones. Its definietly not something i would not want to evoke on others and myself mind you.

From my experience, the effects would be unpleaseant. Tired, sleepy withdrawn, subdued and "Contemplative". If your by yourself, it could then maybe be used for meditation purposes. It can be slightly "Euphoric" if you know what to look for.

I assume ingesting the substance will give different results than through the olfactory system. But if the effects would be anything similiar to ingesting it, i wouldnt spend any time on it.

Its an interesting idea/theory, but IMO, it wouldnt end up the way this thread has portrayed it to be.


Edit: Regarding those pictures....

Im re editing it, So, there are two blue flowers in egypt. The Blue lotus ( the sacred lily of the nile) and the blue lily. The blue lotus is what is portrayed in ancient egyptian art.

Quote:In my personal experiments, blue lotus extract applied to my body has produced a sort of silly, philosophical, laid back sort of verbal introspection between myself and my wife as well as improving things for her in a romantic sense.

It doesn't matter what anybody expects this stuff to do, or what anybody thinks it should do, it matters what it does do. Are the results repeatable? Nobody knows at this point. But navel-gazing accomplishes nothing.