(05-18-2015 5:53 PM)metaltree Wrote:  We want you to do well with women because you seem like a good guy and I think you would treat the women in your life well. Your ideas about the way women think and behave are not based on reality. I think once you realize the way women are you will drop your idea for a consent form and you will laugh at yourself.

My advice is to drop the L2K for now and only use Glace. The Glace will help you talk to women in a friendly non-sexual way. You need to get more conversations with women to make yourself more comfortable around women.

Forget the pickup stuff until you get the basics down. Go to a social gathering and mingle. Just do this:
1. Walk up to a woman and introduce yourself.
2. Make a generic comment or two about the environment.
Now if she asks you a question, answer it and ask her the same question. If she doesn't ask you anything then say, "Nice meeting you" and move on.
3. If a conversation naturally happens just go with the flow.
4. When things dry up then say, "Nice meeting you" and move on.
5. Repeat

Hey man. I owe you a big thank you! I actually tried out what you told me. I wore 2 sprays of Glacé after I took a shower this evening. I went out to get something to eat. I was a bit more alert than usual. Nothing else happened.

Then I went to go shop for some dress pants for work since this store I like had a big sale going on. I was checking out pants and this worker woman walked by. She asked me "Can I help you?" I asked her a random question about pants sizes and fits I already know the answer to. I told her a corny joke about not wanting the pants to be tight around the tigh area because I might get a wedgie. She laughed at that. Ok, great. So I asked her the same thing she asked me with a firmer tone. I asked "Now Can I Help You?" She looked a bit puzzled by my question. She then went onto answer mumble answer and smile. She opened up to me like a can of fishing worms. We stood there and talked for about half hour. It was a nice convo. She told me she was going through a nasty divorce. Whatever on that. I didn't care. She was into me and I was sort of into her.

She's an older lady. 45 to be exact. We were guessing each other's age and I hit it right on the spot. I flat out told her I was attracted to her and she was beautiful. She was blushing like crazy. I didn't care at that point anymore. Somehow I had a courage to say things flat out for some reason. At the same time when I said it, random thoughts about the advices you guys gave me ran throuhg my head. To cut it short, we exchanged numbers and we will be doing something in the near future. I rate her about 7 out of 10 for an older woman. Whatever she's cool to talk to and nice.

Now I'm gonna go take notes on you guys' advice.

And I forgot... How soon should I hit this woman up? What do I say?

Not that I care if I succeed with her. If it happenes then great, if not I will move on. I just want to play the game right and practice.

(05-18-2015 11:05 PM)Badboymike Wrote:  And I forgot... How soon should I hit this woman up? What do I say?

Not that I care if I succeed with her. If it happens then great, if not I will move on. I just want to play the game right and practice.

I would not start with stores. That is a situation where a clerk is trying to assist you in making a purchase. You need to be at a level of skill where you can steer the conversation away to something different. You clearly are not at that skill level yet but I think you will get there if you allow yourself to grow.

Instead, I would go to a meetup or some sort of local event. Before an event starts or after an events ends or an intermission is a good time to strike up a conversation with someone.
http://www.meetup.com/

The conversation should go something Like this:
You: "Hello, I'm Mike. How are you?
Her: "Hi, I'm Sarah."
You: Something relevant to the event such as, "That speaker was interesting. I learned something new".

At this point she will participate or show a lack of interest. If she shows a lack of interest just say, "Nice meeting you."

Beer meetups are common too. People are very easy to talk to at this type of event. There you would have a conversation like this:
You: "Hello, I'm Mike. How are you?
Her: "Hi, I'm Sarah."
You: "I just tried this local pilsner called ABC. It was surprisingly good.

The goal here is just to get a feel for what a normal human conversation feels like with a stranger in non-professional setting. I'm sure you are excellent in a professional environment since your career is successful. But talking to strangers in a social setting is a completely different skill set. Once you have a few dozen of these conversations you can start trying pickup material, go to bars, or whatever. You just need to a little foundation to build on. This will help you build that foundation.

Pretty much what metaltree said, go to meetup events. They are good for socialising and networking. I've had lots of fun wearing pheromones to meetup events. Wear your Glace to the event. Do some proper research on dosages so that you don't OD. Remember to have fun. And please forget about the consent form!!!

As for this woman, you need to be clear on what you want from her. Conversation? Friendship? Casual sex? What pheromone you wear and what kind of frame you bring when you meet her will be determined by your goals with her. Then act accordingly and be congruent with your decision from beginning to end. Whatever your intentions, always make the woman comfortable, firstly by being comfortable yourself. Read up more on self development and inner game, and don't give up because of a few failures! Embrace the struggle, happiness and personal power lies on the other side of it.

Have you considered a Russian dating website? Russian women generally don't care how you are as long as you look somewhat decent and have enough money to provide for there status driven lifestyles. I find them to be cold, but there are tons of them and as long as you have money and bring them over on a visa they will do their part. If not, send them back. Russian men are generally, cold and pretty mean to them. Just food for thought.

(05-19-2015 10:30 AM)Hurakan Wrote:  Have you considered a Russian dating website? Russian women generally don't care how you are as long as you look somewhat decent and have enough money to provide for there status driven lifestyles. I find them to be cold, but there are tons of them and as long as you have money and bring them over on a visa they will do their part. If not, send them back. Russian men are generally, cold and pretty mean to them. Just food for thought.

(05-19-2015 10:30 AM)Hurakan Wrote:  Have you considered a Russian dating website? Russian women generally don't care how you are as long as you look somewhat decent and have enough money to provide for there status driven lifestyles.

I think the idea here is to get better with women in general. This sort of "short cut" won't help a guy build up his skills with women.

(05-18-2015 11:43 PM)metaltree Wrote:  I would not start with stores. That is a situation where a clerk is trying to assist you in making a purchase. You need to be at a level of skill where you can steer the conversation away to something different. You clearly are not at that skill level yet but I think you will get there if you allow yourself to grow.

Instead, I would go to a meetup or some sort of local event. Before an event starts or after an events ends or an intermission is a good time to strike up a conversation with someone.
http://www.meetup.com/

The conversation should go something Like this:
You: "Hello, I'm Mike. How are you?
Her: "Hi, I'm Sarah."
You: Something relevant to the event such as, "That speaker was interesting. I learned something new".

At this point she will participate or show a lack of interest. If she shows a lack of interest just say, "Nice meeting you."

Beer meetups are common too. People are very easy to talk to at this type of event. There you would have a conversation like this:
You: "Hello, I'm Mike. How are you?
Her: "Hi, I'm Sarah."
You: "I just tried this local pilsner called ABC. It was surprisingly good.

The goal here is just to get a feel for what a normal human conversation feels like with a stranger in non-professional setting. I'm sure you are excellent in a professional environment since your career is successful. But talking to strangers in a social setting is a completely different skill set. Once you have a few dozen of these conversations you can start trying pickup material, go to bars, or whatever. You just need to a little foundation to build on. This will help you build that foundation.

Geez! I did something wrong again by flirting with a department store lady. I'm soo terrible at this game. But I will for sure go and check out meetup.com

Anyways.... Yes, you're absolutely right about my inability to transfer the same skill set from Professional environment to Social/Personal environment. In the professional environment, I excel. I don't even need Wolf or Corpo to earn the respect I deserve. My staff knows what is expected of them and perform accordingly. Doctors are happy with my ability to run the facility relatively flawless. Occasionally, I run into issues with Hospital Admin. They like to go around and flex their muscle everywhere. Male admins are OK to deal with. But females admins are a different story. They're major raging Alphas with miniskirts. Even so.. I'm able to come to terms with them on most occasions. I get the mutual respect from them. Just imagine if I was to use Wolf or Corpo. These Alphas in miniskirts would be ripping their panty hose out for me for a quickie in the Office. But I never thought of that until right this minute. Maybe I should experiment. I don't know.

I excelled in Professional environment because I do what is expected of me to do. I stay reserved and keep myself away from politics. You see.. Just a few years back, I was just starting out in the Healthcare industry and I was your typical clean-up kid. Basically, a butt wiper (not literally). I was an office assistant in a corrupted medical group. Like I said before.. I kept clean and never got involved in work politics. 2 of the older Doctors were well aware of my personality and performance and they decided to offer me a position that I am in right now. They break off to form their own group with their other important Doctor friends and I was to raise a staff/team. Guess what? I took over half of the clean staff members from the corrupted medical group and gave them a stable career of their choice. Long story short, it's a lot easier for me to interact in a professional settings. But it doesn't always work out like that in a social setting. I'm your typical socially awkward dummy. I admit it.

BTW Metaltree, my ex who screwed me over was name was Sarah. Yes, with a H. Weird how you said that.

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(05-19-2015 1:08 AM)raikahoken Wrote:  Pretty much what metaltree said, go to meetup events. They are good for socialising and networking. I've had lots of fun wearing pheromones to meetup events. Wear your Glace to the event. Do some proper research on dosages so that you don't OD. Remember to have fun. And please forget about the consent form!!!

As for this woman, you need to be clear on what you want from her. Conversation? Friendship? Casual sex? What pheromone you wear and what kind of frame you bring when you meet her will be determined by your goals with her. Then act accordingly and be congruent with your decision from beginning to end. Whatever your intentions, always make the woman comfortable, firstly by being comfortable yourself. Read up more on self development and inner game, and don't give up because of a few failures! Embrace the struggle, happiness and personal power lies on the other side of it.

That's the thing man. I don't know what I want from a woman. All I know is I can do better than what I'm right now in this dating game but I can't get myself to perform well. That's why I turned to Pheromones thinking girls will automatically seek me out.

(05-19-2015 10:30 AM)Hurakan Wrote:  Have you considered a Russian dating website? Russian women generally don't care how you are as long as you look somewhat decent and have enough money to provide for there status driven lifestyles. I find them to be cold, but there are tons of them and as long as you have money and bring them over on a visa they will do their part. If not, send them back. Russian men are generally, cold and pretty mean to them. Just food for thought.

Funny. I will not be ordering any ready made mail order brides. I haven't ordered a hooker for past 3 years for sexual pleasure. So I'm definitely not going that route. See.. That's the kind of personal pride I have. I want to get it on my own and I'm frustrated because I can't and I keep doing everything wrong.

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(05-18-2015 10:36 PM)pupils011 Wrote:  Some of their videos on YouTube just show you that you can have fun while chatting with women. Not all of their videos are like that. They are not saying go out and talk inappropriately to women they like crude humor so that is what they talk about. If you go to simple pickup website then you will see the real deal. Invest in their product project go. I did and it works. They show you step by step how to talk to women form dealing with make cockblocks, girls in a hurry, girls on phones, girls in groups, girls with parents, making rejection fun, college girls, going out at night, foreign girls etc. you should really take at least a week and work on just one thing at a time. What you need to work on is escalating. Take a week and approach 5 women a day and escalate as much as possible. If you can't escalate on a girl she will lose interest and friend zone you. If other people on here suggest other things you need to work on then pick ONE and only ONE thing out of any advice we give you and for a week just use girls as a tool to make yourself better.

I just came across your comment there, bud. I have been checking out their videos and website and it's quite interesting. But I don't know if I can do it on my own with some moral support.

(05-18-2015 8:26 PM)carolinalivin Wrote:  consent form? oh God no do not carry that like ever man...if you pulled some shit like that out on or near a college campus you may be publicly clowned on the spot by groups of chicks. that is not smooth or seductive at all.

I'm giving a second thought about the consent form. Not sure if I will completely eliminate the option though. BTW, I started taking Ashwagandha yesterday. Let's see how I progress.