You know how most wait for ioi's to guess wether or not a pheromone blend is working? So they can get any kind of indication the lady is interested?

This is why I put the old MAG over the rest...

It was the ability to make the FEMALE INITIATE! Literally, she would be coming on to you (in my experience). She would be THAT turned on. That was the difference.

What causes this? As I stated before, it might just creep you out when you see this at first.

But the fact is, I stand here as living proof, as I witnessed this, but can't prove it.... Smh

I'm telling you, you will know right away that it's the original!

I never had anything that made the women initiate, WITHOUT me initiating... The closest thing was the Core/Dionysos combo... IME

(03-13-2016 5:29 PM)V-nice Wrote:  You know how most wait for ioi's to guess wether or not a pheromone blend is working? So they can get any kind of indication the lady is interested?

This is why I put the old MAG over the rest...

It was the ability to make the FEMALE INITIATE! Literally, she would be coming on to you (in my experience). She would be THAT turned on. That was the difference.

What causes this? As I stated before, it might just creep you out when you see this at first.

But the fact is, I stand here as living proof, as I witnessed this, but can't prove it.... Smh

I'm telling you, you will know right away that it's the original!

I never had anything that made the women initiate, WITHOUT me initiating... The closest thing was the Core/Dionysos combo... IME

So what mone company would possibly let this go?

......and how did Chris not see this, and make a version for AD? I have to assume that Chris new about the potency......so why not take this to the bank.

A question for those who have used the old MAG and AM :

Is there any advantage to the diluted formula of AM vs the old MAG (assuming they really are the same mix)???

(03-13-2016 5:57 PM)theLaw Wrote:  So what mone company would possibly let this go?

......and how did Chris not see this, and make a version for AD? I have to assume that Chris new about the potency......so why not take this to the bank.

A question for those who have used the old MAG and AM :

Is there any advantage to the diluted formula of AM vs the old MAG (assuming they really are the same mix)???

My take?

Most end users are not particularly sophisticated. We are spoiled by having all the insight, wisdom, and collective experience of this forum. I would guestimate 95% or so of those that purchased old MAG were not aware enough to notice a difference when the formula changed.

There is a big difference between a "casual" and "advanced" user of 'mones. The greater percentage of forumites here fall into the latter category, and could tell immediately something was wrong.

If a business only sees a fluctuation of 5% of their customer base, it's not even a blip on their radar. Whether they intentionally or through carelessness changed the formula of the new MAG, it is evidently not enough to seriously impact their bottom line.

Our job is to make them aware of the money they COULD be making if they brought back the old, effective formula. Hence: we email Luv Essentials and Chris, and hope one of them realizes the pile of money they could make by resurrecting this gem.

i am really curious about this. Never had the chnace to test it. but please bring it back.
I have kind of the described effects with L2K wich contains AM.
Wonder how much stornger MAG would be. Would be total beastmode .

Did u guys get depression with it aswell, or doesnt contain any dione?

(03-14-2016 2:36 AM)Horizon Wrote:  i am really curious about this. Never had the chnace to test it. but please bring it back.
I have kind of the described effects with L2K wich contains AM.
Wonder how much stornger MAG would be. Would be total beastmode .

Did u guys get depression with it aswell, or doesnt contain any dione?

It does contain Androstadienone .

(03-13-2016 5:29 PM)V-nice Wrote:  You know how most wait for ioi's to guess wether or not a pheromone blend is working? So they can get any kind of indication the lady is interested?

This is why I put the old MAG over the rest...

It was the ability to make the FEMALE INITIATE! Literally, she would be coming on to you (in my experience). She would be THAT turned on. That was the difference.

What causes this? As I stated before, it might just creep you out when you see this at first.

But the fact is, I stand here as living proof, as I witnessed this, but can't prove it.... Smh

I'm telling you, you will know right away that it's the original!

I never had anything that made the women initiate, WITHOUT me initiating... The closest thing was the Core/Dionysos combo... IME

Well based on your post and me getting through an entire AM bottle, I suggest trying BW + CV4.5 +maybe M3X I havn't tested the 3 together enough. With BW + CV4.5 it's casual women opening you up and acting very sexual, sometimes asking you to kiss them. Almost every time I go out with this combo I get a result. CV4.5 is not anymore in stock but there's coming a new product from thunder that will probably be better. You could also try BW+ Impi red which has similar effects based on a post, I will also try this combo when I get the impi in the mail and maybe there's no need anymore for crying

Asking Chriss to craft old MAG again it's pointless. The biggest possibility is that he will start selling the AM without Androstadienone and tell you that is exactly the old MAG formulation. Never trust a Drama Queen more than once..

(03-15-2016 6:28 AM)toutsif Wrote:  Asking Chriss to craft old MAG again it's pointless. The biggest possibility is that he will start selling the AM without Androstadienone and tell you that is exactly the old MAG formulation. Never trust a Drama Queen more than once..

I'm going to have to agree with this. We've tried this route before, and it never works out. Luv Essentials seems not to be budging again. Our best bet is to get an enthusiast on board with this product. thundr or myself would be able to develop a better sledgehammer product than what's currently on offer, matching or even surpassing the mixes of old in quality.

Just a thought. Enthusiasts like us are more willing to go the extra mile to ensure the product works as it should. Perhaps Luv Essentials is telling the truth, but what happens when their lab delivers poor-quality androstenone again? Will we be seeing the same process attempting to bring back the original formula for a few years?

I'd prefer to look beyond old MAG. Great as the mixes of the past may have been, that's no reason to halt progress. At best (and this seems hughly unlikely), you can expect the return of old MAG, exactly as it was back then. That's where it ends. Despite how much V-nice praises this mix, I'm not convinced there's any mix in the history of this industry that can't be improved upon in some way.

(03-15-2016 6:55 AM)Ekscentra Wrote:  I'm going to have to agree with this. We've tried this route before, and it never works out. Luv Essentials seems not to be budging again. Our best bet is to get an enthusiast on board with this product. thundr or myself would be able to develop a better sledgehammer product than what's currently on offer, matching or even surpassing the mixes of old in quality.

Just a thought. Enthusiasts like us are more willing to go the extra mile to ensure the product works as it should. Perhaps Luv Essentials is telling the truth, but what happens when their lab delivers poor-quality androstenone again? Will we be seeing the same process attempting to bring back the original formula for a few years?

I'd prefer to look beyond old MAG. Great as the mixes of the past may have been, that's no reason to halt progress. At best (and this seems hughly unlikely), you can expect the return of old MAG, exactly as it was back then. That's where it ends. Despite how much V-nice praises this mix, I'm not convinced there's any mix in the history of this industry that can't be improved upon in some way.

As much as I hate to admit it.......I agree with this.

I've already received an angry email from Chris.......so it looks like nothing has changed.

Looking forward to this new line of research!!!

(03-15-2016 6:55 AM)Ekscentra Wrote:  I'm going to have to agree with this. We've tried this route before, and it never works out. Luv Essentials seems not to be budging again. Our best bet is to get an enthusiast on board with this product. thundr or myself would be able to develop a better sledgehammer product than what's currently on offer, matching or even surpassing the mixes of old in quality.

Just a thought. Enthusiasts like us are more willing to go the extra mile to ensure the product works as it should. Perhaps Luv Essentials is telling the truth, but what happens when their lab delivers poor-quality androstenone again? Will we be seeing the same process attempting to bring back the original formula for a few years?

I'd prefer to look beyond old MAG. Great as the mixes of the past may have been, that's no reason to halt progress. At best (and this seems hughly unlikely), you can expect the return of old MAG, exactly as it was back then. That's where it ends. Despite how much V-nice praises this mix, I'm not convinced there's any mix in the history of this industry that can't be improved upon in some way.

I'm going to have to agree with you and TheLaw. At this point, I'm happy that L2K and AM have been returned to their previous potency, since they do represent staple products with good effects and well-known mechanisms of action.

But what you say has merit. Case in point is your work with Apollo and Opus. We should be trying to BETTER these old formulas. Do I think it would be a good idea to get the "genome" of old MAG recorded (analysis)? You bet! But at this juncture, more as a way to have a baseline starting point to improve upon it. When MAG was created (what, 7 or 8 years ago at least?), the knowledge base for 'mones was at that level of technology.

With all the work with coded/putative molecules, and how they interact, I second your opinion that someone like Thundr (or Garry, or Steve-O...or all three together), could create the "Omega 13 Mix" (points for anyone that gets the reference).

Better, stronger, more ridiculously powerful.

It's why this forum is so amazing.