(03-16-2016 8:33 AM)D'man Wrote:  Maybe the vendors didn't change their formulas, maybe the quality of the molecules that they were getting from their suppliers changed.

The problem with this theory is that other companies (LAL, PXS) have not had that problem.

Not to say that it couldn't happen, but if that was the case, then all of those vendors should now be suspect........or it could all happen again.

This was my thought process when reading Dsouza's notes about AM2016...........if it sounds incredible.........how long will that last.........and what if the formula changes again?

It's unfortunate that we need to be this skeptical, but the vendors have brought this upon themselves. Remember.........there was a time when Androtics was a highly respected mone supplier with some the best products available.................and now..........

Long-term, those vendors with a poor track record will close or become obsolete..........especially since we are starting to see a movement to recreate some of those "legendary" mixes outside of those original organizations!!!

I posted a list of steroids banned in 2010/11 and in 2014 here:

http://pherotruth.org/Thread-Banned-ster...-2010-2014

If older products were using steroids they were likely androstenedione, 1-AD, 4-AD, 1-Test since they were readily available.

The purity of a compound makes a bif difference, cf. the reports about Chris's regular and 99% purity Androstadienone as an example. And yes, its likely the other chemicals in the compound which change its affect and why they are unlikely to ever be reproduced.

It's why it's a good idea to stock up whenever you come across a product that you like.

My intuition on old New Pheromone Additive for example is that the none and Androstadienone were from a cruder synthesis. NNPA has cleaner none and Androstadienone plus other things.

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(03-16-2016 9:17 AM)Alphonse Wrote:  My intuition on old New Pheromone Additive for example is that the none and Androstadienone were from a cruder synthesis. NNPA has cleaner none and Androstadienone plus other things.

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My .02. I read that old New Pheromone Additive was 1:1 none : Androstadienone . I've also read that ther might be some Beta Androstenol too. I did make a homemade New Pheromone Additive 1:1, then diluted to about 3:1 cologne /New Pheromone Additive. I got 4 definite hits. So I'm not sure if its a purity issues or a formulation issue.

PS. None was from androtics and Androstadienone was from love scents.

Every country has a different list.

(03-16-2016 12:56 PM)jb20 Wrote:  xd
Every country has a different list.

Most pheromone companies are based in the US.

(03-16-2016 11:47 AM)Blacky Chan Wrote:  My .02. I read that old New Pheromone Additive was 1:1 none : Androstadienone . I've also read that ther might be some Beta Androstenol too. I did make a homemade New Pheromone Additive 1:1, then diluted to about 3:1 cologne /New Pheromone Additive. I got 4 definite hits. So I'm not sure if its a purity issues or a formulation issue.

PS. None was from androtics and Androstadienone was from love scents.

Didn't we already conclude that there wasn't normal none in the old New Pheromone Additive? Some thought it was this elephant none (I don't remember the name right now).

(03-17-2016 6:55 AM)Vincent_Vega Wrote:  Didn't we already conclude that there wasn't normal none in the old New Pheromone Additive? Some thought it was this elephant none (I don't remember the name right now).

delta-2-androstenone was thought to be the secret ingredient in New Pheromone Additive - I can believe this. However, standard androstenone is 100% in there as well. Whether Blacky Chan's suspicions are correct is still up for debate.

Any news?

(03-17-2016 6:55 AM)Vincent_Vega Wrote:  Didn't we already conclude that there wasn't normal none in the old New Pheromone Additive? Some thought it was this elephant none (I don't remember the name right now).

Wasn't normal, or as I BELIEVE with the case of AD and LIIK ... a certain type of -none. Can we say that ALL -NONE are NOT alike? I'd vote YES.

To be continued ...