Hi all,

Been lurking around for a while, reading everything I could, trying to take as much as possible in. But damn it this is complicated.

I was hoping I could get some expert advice on a starter set of mones to get me testing. Something for work, something social and something for getting laid.

Had an expensive August so ideally not looking to break the bank but I'm reasonably flexible if I have to be.

I'm 37, tall, 6'3 tall, toned, slim, athletic. I run marathons and do triathlons and stuff. Decent enough looking, dress very well.

I'm shy, but mostly over that by my age as I think there comes a time you just put that aside, but it's still there - and historically have always been useless around women in pick up situations. Always had a severe lack of confidence where girls are concerned, never knew why.

My long game has always been OK, my short game...I've just never been able to do it. More than even having the confidence, I find when I can strike up a convo, I simply don't know what to say, as I find small talk hard. I've had hot women come up to me in clubs, blatantly interested, and just never managed to go anywhere beyond - maybe - some kissing.

I find eye contact hard and really struggle with non-verbal cues and all that shit. If someone likes me I like to know because they've said it, not because they're touching their hair and stuff. I can get the hint if she starts deepthroating her finger, but less than that and I just don't pick it up.

So we have this massive difference between what I look like, and how I actually carry myself. I've been told I somehow seem quite small for someone who is physically quite big.

I'm the stereotype "nice guy" - I'm polite, softly spoken, have massive amounts of respect for women. I don't come across aggressive. (I think).

But here's the thing, in the bedroom I'm the complete opposite, I like to dominate, I like my women submissive, I like the kind of women who just beg to be fucking destroyed, abused and humiliated and who love every second of it.

Been told many times I would be "dangerous" if I had any confidence with women. I don't think they mean dangerous in a murdery way.

So that's my problem. My outward appearance attracts exactly the opposite of what I want. I've never had any trouble getting "nice girls" to go on "dates". I don't want that. Ironically, the girls who want a bad boy, they do the opposite, they grab some chav (sorry, British slang, not sure what US equivalent is) who walks around with a scowl on his face, and takes him home from the club - and you just know he's going to be a fucking clingy little pussy in bed.

I have met and fucked a handful of the type of girls I like before, but it's only been when I've gotten to know one of the above nice girls better and it turns out it just so happens she's a kinky slut bad girl in secret. This is what, 1 in 10 maybe? Too much effort for too little reward. I can't deal any more with wasting several evenings getting to know someone before finally finding out that they think blowjobs are the devil's work and they'd never even think about doing that.

So yeah, while I understand there is no magic formula and that I have to work for it, that's what I would ideally be looking for. Hot chicks who make it crystal clear that they are interested in me sexually and who are more likely to be what I want when we get to it. Physically, there's nothing about me that works against this, but I think I also need a way to help me with the confidence and the knowing what to say part once attraction has been established. I want to close on the same night.

Oh, and I've never been in a fight and don't want men wanting to punch me!

I'd also be after a recommendation for work. Pretty much the same situation, I'm damn good at what I do, but don't carry myself like I know it. I question myself or ask my boss what I should do when I know the answer! Want to avoid something overly sexual for work, especially since my boss is an attractive woman and I really don't want to deal with confusing our relationship.

So yeah, any thoughts? I was this close to purchasing AM and Corporativo earlier, then switched to L2K, then the more I read up on that I switched back to AM, then I started reading about New Pheromone Additive (which has apparently got exactly what I want regarding attractive women coming right up and making advances). But I keep going round in circles, keep finding new threads and basically I'll never order at this rate.

I think too much. Also, write too much!

I'm interested in this too as I'm also a dominant. I'm more of a reformed nice guy, but I certainly have integrity and compassion.

I've suspected that the girls we're looking for are more attracted to Androsterone than none. Androsterone is very attractive and puts out a vibe of confidence, authority, status, protection, and dominance. None on the other hand is also attractive, but it puts out a vibe of sex and aggression. Some girls are attracted to Androsterone and repulsed by none. Others are extremely attracted to none. Others are attracted to both. I've heard rumors of girls that are put off by Androsterone, but no substantial reports that I've read.

An example of an androsterone mix that could be steered toward sexual activity would be Alpha Treasures. An example of an androstenone mix would be New Pheromone Additive.

Though I'm looking for more of a "lady in the streets and freak in the sheets." If I found as many as you did, I wouldn't have lost the first one. I think you f'ed up there, but we all have our preferences, eh?

I'm looking for a fallout mix for my purposes, because for me the dominance and submission is all about love. You don't seem to be about that, so maybe you don't want something that will make a woman cling to you.

Maybe if you're just looking to get laid, you can go on a website that specializes in fetishes and find people that profess an interest in the same things as you.

I'm just not a settling down type, not at least until I've spread my wild oats as they say, time's getting on!

I feel like pheromones if nothing else will give me some tools and confidence to help me close this loop in my life, that I can go out and bang hot women just like so many other guys seem to be able to - might be lame but it will help me feel fulfilled, it's pretty much the only regret I have.

I've been on casual hookup websites for years, they're all bullshit, as the recent Ashley Madison leak discovered, it's all just millions of men talking to each other and a bunch of fake profiles created by the companies involved.

There was like 2,000 genuine active females on that site and 11 million men, or something like that.

hey jaysted!

Warm greetings from Indonesia!

You have no idea how scary it is to read your thread and i realize that we are disturbingly very similar.. thus i can totally understand where you are coming from..

So here it is, my 2 cents, hoping that it will give you some enlightenment. I'll make it short and simple so it is easy to read:

1) Regarding the started set of mones for you to test:

You have mentioned that you want mones for social and another one for getting laid. The situation that you are facing now is EXACTLY the same as me when i wanted to step into the world of pheromone. After reading from all the forums and thru people's experiences, i have decided to purchase Wolf from Liquid Alchemy Lab for social and corporate use and purchase Alfa Maschio from Alpha Dream. I feel that these 2 are amazing for starters, not forgetting to mention the crazy HITS you will get from these 2.

I use Wolf for day wear or anytime that you know that you wont have any sexual intention (for example: hanging out with family and friends, working in the office and etc).
Dosage: 1-2 sprays to your chosen application point (i normally spray it on my wrist or around my neck or both)

I use Alfa Maschio for night wear such as going to a club, house party, rave, basically anywhere that i know i will be meeting hot ladies and i know i will have sexual intentions later on.
Dosage: 1-3 sprays to your chosen application point.

One tip that maybe will help you is that please do not try to mix or do combos with your pheromone just yet. Learn each mone that you have purchased thoroughly.. run single test on them and try to figure out what that specific mone does to you (self effects) and to others. So many people made the mistakes of mixing pheromones together too early when they are still not clear about the true potential of the specific mone you are applying to your body.

2) Regarding on your self thoughts of your character and how you behave with the ladies:

I feel that sometimes overthinking will cause only negative effect to ourselves. Try not to think too much and let it flow. Having all these self doubts in your head will only be reflected on your facial expressions and body language. Keep being that polite gentleman that you are and show these ladies how they should be treated. One thing i am sure is that ladies totally dig guys who know how to be a gentleman and know how to have fun. Have fun, flirt, smile, socialize and dont have expectations! You will be surprised how good it feels when good things or opportunities show up when you dont expect them to!

3) Regarding you doubting what product to try and keep on reading too many brand reviews:

STOP! by reading too many of em will just further confuse you! just commit and select 1-2 mone for what you need (social and sexual) and go with the flow from there. You need to test, explore and be a firm believer of the pheromone first then you can start exploring the other brands or combos that the forum members have been raving about.

Like the saying goes, "you need to learn the rules first in order to break them".

Good luck!

Best Regards,
Pandatrooper

http://pherotruth.org/Thread-For-the-newbies

(09-01-2015 1:39 AM)pandatrooper Wrote:  hey jaysted!

Warm greetings from Indonesia!

Thanks Pandatrooper, I have ordered Wolf and AM as you said. Anything happens I shall report back!

I've got about 3 weeks more 'mone experience than you, so take this with a grain of salt

But, 'mones won't solve your problems with women. You seem to have a lot of erroneous ideas in your head about women.

Quote: ...she's a kinky slut bad girl in secret. This is what, 1 in 10 maybe? ...

You're off by about 9! You need to realize that, and truly believe it.

I could go through your post, line by line, and point out ALL the negative self-talk you engage in, but it won't help you until you realize just how awesome you are.

So, to fix your head/thoughts I'd look in to either:

1) Subliminals
here: http://pherotruth.org/Thread-The-Modern-...rse-THREAD
or
here: http://pherotruth.org/Thread-Hypnosis-for-Alpha-Men?

2) Seduction/PUA sites/books et cetera
Especially ones focused on 'Inner Game'.
Here: Blackdragon
or
here: So Suave Forum

3) Counseling
I don't know you or your 'issues' but if you're suffering from 'unresolved issues' you need to understand them before you can be a complete person.

Hope it helps.

(09-02-2015 8:40 PM)Cremaster Wrote:  I've got about 3 weeks more 'mone experience than you, so take this with a grain of salt

But, 'mones won't solve your problems with women. You seem to have a lot of erroneous ideas in your head about women.


You're off by about 9! You need to realize that, and truly believe it.

I could go through your post, line by line, and point out ALL the negative self-talk you engage in, but it won't help you until you realize just how awesome you are.

So, to fix your head/thoughts I'd look in to either:

1) Subliminals
here: http://pherotruth.org/Thread-The-Modern-...rse-THREAD
or
here: http://pherotruth.org/Thread-Hypnosis-for-Alpha-Men?

2) Seduction/PUA sites/books et cetera
Especially ones focused on 'Inner Game'.
Here: Blackdragon
or
here: So Suave Forum

3) Counseling
I don't know you or your 'issues' but if you're suffering from 'unresolved issues' you need to understand them before you can be a complete person.

Hope it helps.

Awesome share for the link Cremaster!

Cheers,
Pandatrooper

Hi jaysted

Welcome to PT!

I completely agree with cremaster. It seems you have lots of work to do on yourself first. This is my opinion and you may totally disagree with me because you know yourself better than anyone, nevertheless give a try to cremaster advice.

Btw, where about in the UK are you living?

M.

i'm going to have to agree with crewmaster as well. i'm fairly new but probably about 2 months or so into my mone journey so far. there are SO many products out there and not all of them are tried and true. based on my experiences so far, i can recommend both wolf and AM. AT is also pretty good from what i've seen; i only used it 2 or 3x but each time was a positive experience.

A lot of my current product stash is from PT but the only product thus far that i've ordered for a 2nd time is WOLF. I enjoy the effects of this so much that it has become my go to standalone when not out on a date. It does have a sexual vibe to it as well, despite what some people are saying... you just need to steer it correctly by showing sexual interest in your target. Now with that said, it won't be dropping panties left and right... AM on the other hand, is probably the most sexual product i've used to date. It is simply amazing. I will definitely be buying more of this stuff when I run out... might even get some L2K while they're still running their promo

PT stuff is also really good but i haven't had much as much success with any of their stuff standalone. I can usually mix PT stuff with Wolf & AM and i feel the mixes really enhance my vibe...

Other stuff worth considering, probably not at the price, is some of stuff from androtics. I'm not sure how well the TP products compare but i've had good success with some androtics stuff. For ex: Turn Up The Heat is fkn AMAZING. If you can get a girl alone with you (this really isn't hard) then the Turn Up The Heat will take over... it turns women into ANIMALS. I'll leave it at that. Definitely another product that you MUST have on hand

IH/IS/IO -all great products as well - IH does exactly what it says it does... and many times you probably would have wished that you hand't worn it because women just tell you way too much information that you probably did not need or want to know...