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01-17-2014 5:47 PM

Thanks for the heads up. Given my ADD, it's been impossible to find something to combat lethargy. Nicotine, amphetamines, caffeine, DLPA - all traditional stimulants put me to sleep. Armodafinil and Semax are the last two I intend to try. With this side effect, I'll put off purchasing until I discover a way to effectively combat lethargy. Traditional stimulants are obviously off.
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01-17-2014 5:54 PM

Try some hordinene combined with PEA. Both are stimulants . Pea the love drug found in chocolate. Hordenine also a stimulant. Try them both together and you will be fucked up with pleasure.

PEA is the pleasure that gets guickly inhibited by your body. Hordinene is a natural prohibitor of that.
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01-18-2014 10:53 AM

DLPA increases the body's production of natural PEA. If that doesn't work for me, PEA certainly won't either. I'll try it again in combination with Deprenyl, another MAOI. Not messing with MAO-A, given the ridiculous amount of interactions. Hordenine is a poison with all that I'm currently taking. I'm not looking for pure pleasure, but for a natural, seemingly limitless energy. Hordenine + PEA will get you high, but it's unsustainable in the long-term. I'm looking for something sustainable right now, but I appreciate the suggestion.
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Post: #64
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01-25-2014 12:38 PM

So I've posted in this thread before, and I just wanted to give a slight update. I've been using NZT.1 for about a month now, and I love the stuff! I can concentrate for hours on end now, and actually pay attention in class now P Of course I still have times where it's hard to focus, but its has improved a lot. It says you're supposed to take 3 pills per day but that makes me a bit jittery so I stick with 2.

Has anybody else tried these? I'd like to know some more opinions to make sure that this is not just some stupid placebo effect, haha.
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Post: #65
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01-25-2014 2:18 PM

Hordenine + PEA was messed up. I tried that for my ADD but it didn't improve my focus. I could understand people using it recreationally, but that's not my aim. But hordenine straight was one of the better things for my ADD. Actually, a liquid extract of barley grass powder which is where hordenine came from seemed even better, since I couldn't stand to eat that many pills. I think it may be worth considering trying hordenine, just to see what MAOIs will do for you, if you haven't done that yet.

Hordenine may be more sustainable than hard core pharmaceutical MAOIs because it's reversible while pharmaceuticals aren't. It will also slow the breakdown of caffiene, btw. I understand the large number of possible interactions, but the fact that it's reversible means that you can use it for a window of 1 or 2 hours between other meds.

I'm not sure what a safe level of hordenine is. There's some indication of toxicity in really high doses (.15% of diet seemed to lead to kidney lesions and sugar in the urine in voles, but that's a huge daily dose.) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7020159

Also, there's evidence that some cases of ADD are related to hyper-nutrient excretion. Green vegetable juicing works wonders for that. Fresh kale is the best. The bottled, refrigerated stuff isn't as good but it's more convenient.

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02-21-2014 1:04 AM

Chemicals like those found in the skins of blueberries may improve spatial memory in rodents.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23723987

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